А вообще все эти темы-от незнания,в лучшем случае.... Если не понимаешь или не принимаешь-то это не значит,что этого не должно быть.... Служение перед алтарем-величайшая ответственность..... Если во время Литургии-не дай Бог-по нужде захочется,все-разоблачайся. В сортир в облачении нельзя. С грязными руками входить запрещено.... Какие мыши?????Муха не пролетит!!!! А в основном-согласен с Schlaumedchen-все уже сказано.....Теме-минус
> Нет, ну посудите сами, Вы призываете запретить все религии и в тоже время заявляете, что Вы не атеист. Где же логика? quoted1
Это как раз и самая взвешенная позиция. Не удивляйтесь, Мэдхен.
Вопрос устройства мира наукой не изучен. И неизвестно, случится это или нет хоть когда нибудь. Точно также и неизвестно доподлинно, есть ли бог в какой либо форме? Таким образом, верующие верят в то, что бог есть (непонятно почему). Атеисты верят в то, что бога нет(непонятно почему). Ну а люди, объективно смотрящие на мир, допускают, что бог вполне возможно существует в какой либо форме. Может поле, может сила, может просто формула на песке мироздания - неясно. Это прослойка - есть агностики. И с такой позиции, все религии, ныне предлагающие свою версию мироустройства, не выдерживают никакой критики - то есть, являются просто разновидностью заблуждений.
Причем, одни заблуждения менее вредны, а другие более вредны.
Да бросьте Вы, Самая взвешенная позиция -это не плодить религиозные темы на политическом форуме, особенно, если вы ничего не понимаете в вопросах теологии. Вы же сами пишите, что вопросы существования или несуществования Бога не доказуемы. Так объясните же мне, нафига плодить об этом темы во всех разделах форума? Если, Вы считаете, что Бога нет, то не является ли борьба с несуществующим, признаком глупости? Как может разумный человек, бороться с тем, чего не существует? Отсюда вывод, атеизм - это глупейшая религия на земле...
> Отсюда вывод, атеизм - это глупейшая религия на земле... quoted1
Современная наука основана на мнениях и исследованиях тысяч людей, которые создают тысячи книг и научных теорий, подтвержденных опытами.
Религия основана на ОДНОЙ книге, написанной тысячи лет назад горсткой людей с сомнительными умственными способностями, и продолжающимся на протяжении тысяч лет массовым психозом.
> Современная наука основана на мнениях и исследованиях тысяч людей, которые создают тысячи книг и научных теорий, подтвержденных опытами. quoted1
Что Вы говорите? Неужели все эти тысячи учённых людей были атеистами? Вот, далеко не полный список учённых , которые позиционировали себя как верующие в Бога:
Некоторые современные ученые, которые принимают библейское повествование о Творении за Истину?
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr. James Allan, Geneticist Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview) Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr. Bob Compton, DVM Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History Dr. Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr. John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr. Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry Dr. George F. Howe, Botany Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr. Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Dr. Alan Love, Chemist Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr. John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr. David Menton, Anatomist Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research. Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Prof. Richard Porter Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr. Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: Dr. Ian Scott, Educator Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon Dr. Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr. Carl Wieland, Medical doctor Dr. Lara Wieland, Medical doctor Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Dr. Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997) Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology
Кто из ученых прошлого верил в Творца?
Ранний период Francis Bacon (1561–1626) Scientific method. However, see also Culture Wars: Part Bacon vs Ham Part Ham vs Bacon Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) (WOH) Physics, Astronomy (see also The Galileo ‘twist’ and The Galileo affair: history or heroic hagiography? Johann Kepler (1571–1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy Athanasius Kircher (1601–1680) Inventor John Wilkins (1614–1672) Walter Charleton (1619–1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine (1623–1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer Sir William Petty (1623 –1687) Statistics; Scientific economics Robert Boyle (1627–1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics John Ray (1627–1705) Natural history Isaac Barrow (1630–1677) Professor of Mathematics Nicolas Steno (1631–1686) Stratigraphy Thomas Burnet (1635–1715) Geology Increase Mather (1639–1723) Astronomy Nehemiah Grew (1641–1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
Век Ньютона Isaac Newton (1642–1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator. Some have accused him of Arianism, but it’s likely he held to a hetero### form of the Trinity—See Pfizenmaier, T.C., Was Isaac Newton an Arian? Journal of the History of Ideas 68(1):57–80, 1997) Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646–1716) Mathematician John Flamsteed (1646–1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy William Derham (1657–1735) Ecology Cotton Mather (1662–1727) Physician John Harris (1666–1719) Mathematician John Woodward (1665–1728) Paleontology William Whiston (1667–1752) Physics, Geology John Hutchinson (1674–1737) Paleontology Johathan Edwards (1703–1758) Physics, Meteorology Carolus Linneaus (1707–1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system Jean Deluc (1727–1817) Geology Richard Kirwan (1733–1812) Mineralogy William Herschel (1738–1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus (probably believed in an old-earth) James Parkinson (1755–1824) Physician (old-earth compromiser*) John Dalton (1766–1844) Atomic theory; Gas law John Kidd, M.D. (1775–1851) Chemical synthetics (old-earth compromiser*)
Перед Дарвином The 19th Century Scriptural Geologists, by Dr. Terry Mortenson Timothy Dwight (1752–1817) Educator William Kirby (1759–1850) Entomologist Jedidiah Morse (1761–1826) Geographer Benjamin Barton (1766–1815) Botanist; Zoologist John Dalton (1766–1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry Georges Cuvier (1769–1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology (old-earth compromiser*) Samuel Miller (1770–1840) Clergy Charles Bell (1774–1842) Anatomist John Kidd (1775–1851) Chemistry Humphrey Davy (1778–1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp Benjamin Silliman (1779–1864) Mineralogist (old-earth compromiser*) Peter Mark Roget (1779–1869) Physician; Physiologist Thomas Chalmers (1780–1847) Professor (old-earth compromiser*) David Brewster (1781–1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope (probably believed in an old-earth) William Buckland (1784–1856) Geologist (old-earth compromiser*) William Prout (1785–1850) Food chemistry (probably believed in an old-earth) Adam Sedgwick (1785–1873) Geology (old-earth compromiser*) Michael Faraday (1791–1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator Samuel F.B. Morse (1791–1872) Telegraph John Herschel (1792–1871) Astronomy (old-earth compromiser*) Edward Hitchcock (1793–1864) Geology (old-earth compromiser*) William Whewell (1794–1866) Anemometer (old-earth compromiser*) Joseph Henry (1797–1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
После Дарвина Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*) Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*) Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*) Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology James Dana (1813–1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*) Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*) Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*) William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
Ранний современный период Dr. Clifford Burdick, Geologist George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology Dr. Frank Marsh, Biology Dr. John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist Dr. Arthur Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon Dr. Larry Butler, Biochemist