>> You are too pessimistic about Brexit. I keep telling you that this country has never been the full member, what we've always had with the EU — was an arrangement — regarding everything- be it migration quotas, or Greek debt, etc — the arrangements were different for the UK.
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> I have nothing to do with Brexit. I am reading articles written by smart people, and all of them seam to be skeptical. > May is also skeptical. She works hard not to touch topic of Brexit before June vote. > And empty and uneducated promises to find solutions, similar to Trump's promise to reform Health Care, don't convince intelligent people anymore.
You are talking a load of rubbish. If not for Brexit — this election wouldn't have happened in the first place. Like I explained to you several times before (it seems you don't take in any information — it just goes into one ear and out of the other) — the whole election is about giving May and the Tories a bigger majority in the Commons in order to have the nationwide mandate to strike a new Brexit deal with the EU. Every party has a position on Brexit — it's the most important issue for us in generations. Of course May doesn't avoid talking about Brexit, are you nuts? But obviously — the election is not JUST about Brexit — but about economic polices for the next five years, but Brexit is very much in the picture even where those are concerned, it can't be any other way. As for intelligence — your opinion on that is rather subjective and I don't agree with your generalisations about who is intelligent (presumably — those who want the status quo to continue at any price to the UK) and who isn't (those who are striving to get a better deal) — time will tell, but I don't want to convince you of anything — I myself am not 100% sure about a lot of things, I am just keeping an open mind on the issue. All I can say to you is that you can spit your anger at Brexit and Trump supporters all you like, call them names, brand them stupid — whatever- but that's just you being impetuous and putting your head in the sand, as Trump is in power and Brexit is going ahead, as the Article 50 was triggered back in March.
17:50 21.05.2017
Redhead (Expat) писал (а) в ответ на :
> All I can say to you is that you can spit your anger at Brexit and Trump supporters all you like, call them names, brand them stupid — whatever- but that's just you being impetuous and putting your head in the sand, as Trump is in power and Brexit is going ahead, as the Article 50 was triggered back in March.
You are blaming me as if I represent all US news media. Show me one article from respected source that talks professionaly and positively about Brexit. And you keep repeating that people like to eat baloney that their politicians push to them. I know that.
18:18 21.05.2017
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> You are blaming me as if I represent all US news media. > Show me one article from respected source that talks professionaly and positively about Brexit. > And you keep repeating that people like to eat baloney that their politicians push to them. I know that.
Noone's blaming you and lots of respected sources write positive and professional articles about Brexit. It depends on whether the newspaper supported Remain or Leave Campaign. For instance in the Telegraph there will be much more positivity about Brexit than in the Guardian for instance. But being skeptical about it — well, there's not much wrong with that, we are in uncharted territory — no major donor country has left the EU completely yet, it's new times. Noone quite knows for sure what's gonna happen.
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> And you keep repeating that people like to eat baloney that their politicians push to them. I know that.
No I don't. It is the people who voted for Brexit, our politicians have to deal with it, which is what they are doing. And let me stress it to you that no party — even Lib Dems — promise to reverse the vote — that's impossible. They just have different vision as to the post Brexit arrangement. And let me also tell you, that I have lived here for a long time and there's been tons of negative press here about the EU for decades. In my EU Referendum thread on the English forum when I was describing the events AS THEY OCCURRED — there was an analysis from the FT TV on how people were going to vote and smart people were saying even then that it would be very hard for the Remainers to convince people to stay in the EU because along with everything else — it would be very hard to reverse all the negative press about the EU that had been going on here for years upon years. So — baloney comes mostly from you, cause you don't know enough about the issue. You are just pushing your own preconceived ideas — as always, which is getting a bit tedious. You've got to understand that the status quo — which is the current arrangement with the EU — was not an option even for Remainers which is why Cameron (who headed the Remain Campaign) — tried to strike a new deal with the EU prior to the Brexit vote. It is just what he came back with from Brussels — was not deemed to be enough change to the current arrangement and the Leavers won. If one goes by what you say — that Brexit is such a terrible thing and baloney that the politicians are feeding us, then you should start with the fact that we didn't join the Eurozone. That was Brexit 1, now it's Brexit 2. Judging by how well Brexit 1 went, I have hopes that Brexit 2 won't be much worse.
18:30 21.05.2017
Я тут с вами уже стал специалистом по Брекситу.)
18:51 21.05.2017
Redhead (Expat) писал (а) в ответ на :
> If one goes by what you say — that Brexit is such a terrible thing and baloney that the politicians are feeding us, then you should start with the fact that we didn't join the Eurozone. That was Brexit 1, now it's Brexit 2. Judging by how well Brexit 1 went, I have hopes that Brexit 2 won't be much worse.
No, you are not getting my point. Most smart people, including markets, think that Brexit — is a baloney, it will never happen, for a technical reasons. But it is a good distraction for people who feel empowered and hopeful (like all fools).
19:08 21.05.2017
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Redhead (Expat) писал (а) в ответ на сообщение:
>> If one goes by what you say — that Brexit is such a terrible thing and baloney that the politicians are feeding us, then you should start with the fact that we didn't join the Eurozone. That was Brexit 1, now it's Brexit 2. Judging by how well Brexit 1 went, I have hopes that Brexit 2 won't be much worse.
> > No, you are not getting my point. > Most smart people, including markets, think that Brexit — is a baloney, it will never happen, for a technical reasons. But it is a good distraction for people who feel empowered and hopeful (like all fools).
As I said to you Brexit — well, Brexit2 is a different arrangement from the status quo. The exact details of this arrangement are currently unknown but what is clear is there'll be a cut off point for the EU membership fees, we'll be controlling our borders. May says that we'll leave the single market in its current form and there'll be a new arrangement. Maybe I am a fool, but I believe it — that's pretty much the spirit here and everyone pretty much is resigned to the fact (2/3ds of the population now compared to 50/50 a year ago — according to your CNN article about our election a few posts above- btw, oops — CNN are talking about election andBrexit — what happened to respected press and May avoiding talking about it? )
19:10 21.05.2017
Енот (Енот) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Я тут с вами уже стал специалистом по Брекситу.)
Я чувствую, что ты английский читаешь лучше чем Армянский :)
19:46 21.05.2017
Трампу тоже многие верят, но уже меньше, после 100 дней реальности. А Брекзит — это большая сказка, у которой ещё нет даже начала. Вот когда появится что-то в реальности, тогда можно будет говорить об общественном мнении и о отношении людей к этой идее и политикам которые её осуществляют.
19:49 21.05.2017
Redhead (Expat) писал (а) в ответ на :
> As I said to you Brexit — well, Brexit2 is a different arrangement from the status quo. The exact details of this arrangement are currently unknown but what is clear is there'll be a cut off point for the EU membership fees, we'll be controlling our borders. May says that we'll leave the single market in its current form and there'll be a new arrangement.
P. S. In addition to what I said above — the current UK negotiating stance is that the status quo — as well as a bad deal — would be worse than no deal at all, which means Hard Brexit — trading under the WTO rules with the EU countries under tarriffs (on both sides) — like with any other country in the world. In this scenario — the EU manufacturers will suffer too, as the UK is the single biggest export market of goods from the rest of the 27 EU block. The Hard Brexit is what is desirable to avoid, but if a bad deal is on the table then May made it clear that it would be Hard Brexit. Secondly, as far as the City is concerned — the relationship with the EU has not been smooth either. They tried to impose the FTT (financial transaction tax) on the City (which the Treasury has been fighting for a while now), also with the Euro clearing — there's been a 4 year old legal battle going on with the EU already (it started before Brexit). So to an extent, you have a point that we have been Brexiting already for a while and from that point of view not much has changed yet. It is just we will Brexit a bit more… it looks like.
19:57 21.05.2017
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Трампу тоже многие верят, но уже меньше, после 100 дней реальности.
Quite typical of the US political scene, it's a free country.
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> А Брекзит — это большая сказка, у которой ещё нет даже начала.
It seems you live in the world of your own and lack knowledge of what's going on around you. I understand you hate Brexit (whatever that means in your head), but try poking your head out of the sand now and again, it helps.
20:23 21.05.2017
20:27 21.05.2017
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Енот (Енот) писал (а) в ответ на сообщение:
>> Я тут с вами уже стал специалистом по Брекситу.)
> > Я чувствую, что ты английский читаешь лучше чем Армянский :)
Не лучше конечно, но читаю без особых проблем, а вот писать особо не получается, практики видимо не хватает.
20:37 21.05.2017
Енот (Енот) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Не лучше конечно, но читаю без особых проблем, а вот писать особо не получается, практики видимо не хватает.
Все дело в практике — В писанине ведь — где люди живут там тот язык они и используют — на нем people text on their Iphones, write emails on their laptops, etc - на своем языке и пальцы привыкают. Я вот на русском писать быстро отвыкаю т к в реале на инглише пишу. Хотела улучшить здесь свою писанину на русском, но на это много усилий надо прилагать and I just get too tired generally, besides which — the atmosphere on the main forum is not that great generally — lots of freaks and rude people. I am so happy that people in the Convention Group like Enot can read and understand what I am writing here in this thread.
20:56 21.05.2017
Redhead (Expat) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Енот (Енот) писал (а) в ответ на сообщение:
>> Не лучше конечно, но читаю без особых проблем, а вот писать особо не получается, практики видимо не хватает.
> > Все дело в практике — В писанине ведь — где люди живут там тот язык они и используют — на нем people text on their Iphones, write emails on their laptops, etc — на своем языке и пальцы привыкают.
Да, конечно, языку вообще нельзя полноценно научиться по учебникам и книжкам. Язык можно понять только если будешь в нем постоянно.
> Я вот на русском писать быстро отвыкаю т к в реале на инглише пишу. Хотела улучшить здесь свою писанину на русском, но на это много усилий надо прилагать and I just get too tired generally, besides which — the atmosphere on the main forum is not that great generally — lots of freaks and rude people. I am so happy that people in the Convention Group like Enot can read and understand what I am writing here in this thread.
Да уж, если я им ленюсь что-то там писать на родном мне русском, то представляю каково тебе.)
21:43 21.05.2017
иг911 (ig911) писал (а) в ответ на :
> Израиль интересуют восновном Арабы и Вооружения.
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