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  Redhead
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10:56 15.12.2018
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> — ha ha, you are afraid to disscuss it with me
> — ok, let's discuss it
> — No, I don't want to discuss it
quoted1

That is not true. We did discuss what you liked mostly — figure skating, but we also did discuss some politics as well — Brexit, Russian opposition, Syria. Your arguments re Russian opposition were a la (in the style of)"Everyone but Putin are freaks», «Putin only» and they were weak and didn't address a single point I made. And then you -, not me (like you are trying to make out now) suggested «The crimes of Britain thread» all of a sudden (probably didn't like some truths I dared to say about the current Russian situation). I never suggested «The crimes of Putin» thread (although it would have been very legitimate) or «The crimes of Russia» — where I would intend to do nothing else but indulge myself in slagging off Russia relentlessly. It came from you, not me. I never forced you to do anything like that. Don't insult my intelligence please.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I know that you can't stand foreigners who critisice Britain. Here in Russia we call it «ура-патриотизм».
> So I decided to help you save your face and suggested not to discuss it (crimes of Britain) here any longer. I thought you will gladly accept my offer. Imagine my surprise when you tried to mock me.
quoted1
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I am not a British «vatnik» or «hurray patriot» - it is nonsense. I constantly discuss problems here in Britain and admit to problems and mistakes of the past. I never praise authorities here like your «hurray patriots» do. And I do not need anyone to help me «save face», that was a very arrogant thing to say on your behalf.
Your criticism of Britain — your Russian propaganda criticism of Britain — yes, I do mind. Not because of my British «hurray» patriotism, but because it is full of lies and half truths, which are designed to do nothing else but spread hatred amongst the Russians to Britain, the US and the West in general — amongst the public at large of course, as your propagandists buy houses here, open bank accounts, send their kids to schools here and try to obtain British citizenship by all possible means. They are f uking hypocrites. Period.

Don't twist what I say and think and assign your silly assumptions to myself, again — you are insulting my intelligence.

I will answer the rest later when I get some time.
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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11:20 15.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> So can you name any secular leaders/groups who fight Assad?
quoted1
Again, I began that conversation not to prove anything but hear different opinions about rebels. What facts do Western media give about rebels' secularity (they are talking about it, so there should be some) and what is it given against from other media.
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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11:25 15.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
>> I haven't heard of Vasilyeva and hadn't have much interest to search information about Russian forces taking part in your military campaigns.
quoted2
>It is very strange to hear. Her reports about the Russian losses in Ukraine were all over Ukrainian news a few years ago.
quoted1
I don't watch TV. The only sources I read are censor.net.ua, pravda.com.ua and «Радіо Свобода». That is enough for me to understand situation in my country.
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  Redhead
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23:09 15.12.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:

You know — collaboration between Spanish and English pop singers is a bit of a trend at the moment. Here is another recent one — this one is by

Little Mix — an English girl band with Regganton Leno



And especially for you — collaboration in the most famous Spanish Christmas track — Feliz Navidad — collaboration of Michael Buble (English singer) and Thalia (Spanish)

Michael Bublé - Mis Deseos / Feliz Navidad (ft. Thalia) [Official HD Audio]



Here they are singing live on stage and Michael is doing a very good Spanish

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  Redhead
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23:25 15.12.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER),

Still can't imagine a decent rock song in Spanish — not even light rock or indie, let alone heavier stuff like metal. So - the English language proves to be much more versatile than others when it comes to music.

The best version of Silent Night in my view — by Welsh Catherine Jenkins



Sorry, I am in a Christmas mood at the moment — big time, we have parties and events going on — literally every day at the moment. Tomorrow — going for a local Church Service — should have gone to every Sunday one from the beginning of the Advent Calendar, but were busy, now we can't skip anything.
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  Redhead
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23:32 15.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> So can you name any secular leaders/groups who fight Assad?
>
quoted1

Judging by your one sided picture and your Kremlin view, you might be watching CNN as well, but you pick out those opinions and views from the press here that suit the Kremlin propaganda views. This is what Kremlebots do  — use our freedom of speech — like that pitiful bot Nico 54 for example — that is all he does — picks out fringe views from the press here. Here - it is freedom of speech you see. So it is easy to pick out any kind of view that suits to prop yours. When it comes to your freedom of speech in your own country, anything that contradicts the Government view — "freaks, assclowns, horrible Russophobes and dirty liberals". Those «knowledgeable» ones like yourself on this forum are a pound a penny, we read their bullshit and laugh at it all the time here.
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  Redhead
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23:47 15.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> Do you agree with this statement?
> «The application of violence to defeat the enemies of the nation has become worryingly unpopular. Nothing wrong with fighting (yes killing) for values/what you believe in. The oppressed/bullied/tormented/voiceless deserve it. Join the fight; best thing you’ll ever do
quoted1

Yeah, you quoted something out of context of course, I just googled it, here is the article, what you missed out was the first sentence in that article

" A Tory MP has prompted an angry debate after suggesting killing people for what you believe in is acceptable.

Writing about why young people should consider joining the army, Plymouth MP Johnny Mercer lamented the unpopularity of the use of violence."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mp-jo...
Again — picking out what suits yourself — and missing the point — deliberately.

No doubt - you fished out the Sputnik's version of it

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20181129107025015... or Rt's - it is the same - misleading crappiest sources .
You can't fool someone like me mate — with your bullshit, I live here and have been exposed to what is going on here for a very long time. Like I said — you would be better off exchanging cute pics and opinions on that other forum of yours. You might be able to prove something to someone there. You got other people's talents backing you up at least.

RE Syria — I physically don't have time to dig out all the facts and watch videos and analyze what they shout when firing gun shots, but I just do not trust anything that comes out of the mouths of your propagandists. Because they lie and lie and lie and lie.
They lied about Ukraine and the rest of it, they just lie all the time.
As far as Syria — Sybil is a specialist on the subject, she actually knows very closely a specialist scientific figure on Islam and went to see him to Turkey last year and her view is different from that of your propaganda, which you are so relentlessly trying to feed us here. What puts one off — is your one sidedness, you are biased just in your approach alone. I trust her explanations on the subject a lot more — they are deeper, supported by facts, etc. She would make mince meat out of you in this discussion, I can't — and my mind is elsewhere at the moment, we are busy with Christmas here.
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  Grin
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17:07 17.12.2018
Hi all

Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> I don't watch TV. The only sources I read are censor.net.ua, pravda.com.ua and «Радіо Свобода». That is enough for me to understand situation in my country.
quoted1
They give very one-sided information. I recommend to diversify your sources of information more. For example, you can also read these news from time to time
https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian
https://www.capital.ua/
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  Grin
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17:36 17.12.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I never suggested «The crimes of Putin» thread (although it would have been very legitimate) or «The crimes of Russia» — where I would intend to do nothing else but indulge myself in slagging off Russia relentlessly. It came from you, not me. I never forced you to do anything like that. Don't insult my intelligence please.
quoted1
My thread isn't called «The crimes of Britain». It is called «The truth and myths about crimes of Britain». It isn't the same. As for me, 2nd variant isn't that aggressive. I don't think it is so important who was the first one to raise that problem. The moment I realised we are moving to that direction I thought it isn't a good idea.
Anyway, thanks for reminding me that some people see kindness and politeness as weakness. I won't forget about it when talking to you in the future.


Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> (in the style of)"Everyone but Putin are freaks", «Putin only»
quoted1
Sometimes I feel like you don't read my posts at all. Russian opposition is shit. Using your own words, they can't negotiate a piss in a brewery. They badmouth each other. There are plenty of freaks among them and unlike decent people they are very notable. Just deal with it already.
Even members of Glory to Ukraine group who were positive about them a few years ago lost their illusions.
But that doesn't mean Putin is my choice and the only one for me.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I am not a British «vatnik» or «hurray patriot» — it is nonsense. I constantly discuss problems here in Britain and admit to problems and mistakes of the past. I never praise authorities here like your «hurray patriots» do. And I do not need anyone to help me «save face», that was a very arrogant thing to say on your behalf.
quoted1
But of course you are. I tell you one «secret». «Hurray patriots» do discuss problems of Russia among themselves. But if anyone from other «camp» comes to criticise Russia they start to behave like you do when I criticise Britain. More than that. «Hurray patriots» call people russophobes left, right and center. Just like you call me anglophobe because I don't approve foreign policy of your country.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Judging by your one sided picture and your Kremlin view
quoted1

Look who's talking about one-sided picture. Your propaganda tells Britain is a beacon of light and you write it here. Kremlin propaganda tells Russia is a beacon of light. I never claimed it.
My view isn't that black and white as yours. I have no beacons of light, no ponies and rainbows in my head.
Actually, I think Condoleezza Rice was right when she said
There is no such thing as an international community. There are self-maximizing, self-interested states that will push their interests as far as possible


What variety of views in your media are you talking about? All your press about Russia is negative. It is an obligatory narrative. Even one of the most liberal and pro-western politicians in Russia Ksenia Sobchak was shocked by the level of negativity about Russia in your media when she came to take part in some political show on your TV.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> No doubt - you fished out the Sputnik's version of it
quoted1
There aren't any Sputnik's version of it. I read it in someones twitter. Probably, It was one Irish journalist Brian Macdonald.

Again, Putin thinks you are like Lithuania or Poland, so RT and Sputnik write about you only when your notable politicians directly talk about Russia. Or it is something big like Brexit. Other than that, they are silent.
And you didn't answer my question about that tory. Do you agree with him?
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  Grin
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17:57 17.12.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
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> RE Syria — I physically don't have time to dig out all the facts and watch videos and analyze what they shout when firing gun shots, but I just do not trust anything that comes out of the mouths of your propagandists. Because they lie and lie and lie and lie.
> They lied about Ukraine and the rest of it, they just lie all the time.
> As far as Syria — Sybil is a specialist on the subject, she actually knows very closely a specialist scientific figure on Islam and went to see him to Turkey last year and her view is different from that of your propaganda, which you are so relentlessly trying to feed us here. What puts one off — is your one sidedness, you are biased just in your approach alone. I trust her explanations on the subject a lot more — they are deeper, supported by facts, etc. She would make mince meat out of you in this discussion, I can't — and my mind is elsewhere at the moment, we are busy with Christmas here.
quoted1
Last time I've argued with Sybil about Syria she ended just like you did with interest rates
Speaking of humiliation. Of course it isn't humiliating to make a mistake or two if you don't know something. But it is humiliating when you try to laugh at person who knows much more than you do and in the end his statements turn out to be true.
Remember the last time I tried to mock you because some of your statements on Brexit? Oh, that never happened.

But who knows, may be Sybil have learnt smth since that time. As for me only Boris in your group does have a clue about what is going on in Syria.

Anyway, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year!
See you
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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18:19 17.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian
> https://www.capital.ua/
>
quoted1
I am reading these media because I trust them and haven't seen payed information (like, for instance, Liashko's promotion on Akhmetov's 'Україна') or sheer fakes. And they are involving many opinions and analises from different people. On Censor you can see interview with Avakov and as well with Biletsky. Editors are often post their own vision too. So I don't agree with 'one-sided' information. Or you mentioned the foreign affairs?

Yes, also I am subscribed to the 'Ukrainian week' journal. But because our Ukrainian post hasn't changed since the Revolution, I must wait about half a week until it arrives in Odessa before I can read opinions about last week events.

BBC is a good proposition, I should have thought of it earlier. About 'Капитал' I haven't heard at all, but I will watch it during this week. As I see, it is just news website.
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  Redhead
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21:03 18.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> My thread isn't called «The crimes of Britain». It is called «The truth and myths about crimes of Britain». It isn't the same. As for me, 2nd variant isn't that aggressive. I don't think it is so important who was the first one to raise that problem. The moment I realised we are moving to that direction I thought it isn't a good idea.
> Anyway, thanks for reminding me that some people see kindness and politeness as weakness
quoted1

Making decisions/assumptions on someone else's behalf as to what they would want or not want to do (in this case discuss) or even more so as to what they can or cannot do — is not kind or polite, it is arrogant and rude.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I won't forget about it when talking to you in the future.
quoted1

Oh My Goood, it sounds so sinister… I am scared out of my wits (sarcasm) What are you gonna do? Post some more pics of cute pets of famous figure skaters?
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  Redhead
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21:11 18.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Just deal with it already.
quoted1

Is that another polite and kind Kremlebot type of argument by any chance?
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Sometimes I feel like you don't read my posts at all. Russian opposition is shit. Using your own words, they can't negotiate a piss in a brewery. They badmouth each other. There are plenty of freaks among them and unlike decent people they are very notable. Just deal with it already.
> Even members of Glory to Ukraine group who were positive about them a few years ago lost their illusions.
> But that doesn't mean Putin is my choice and the only one for me.
quoted1

I know your opposition is a mess at the moment. The point I made was it is still worth supporting. The point I made was the development of the opposition is a process and you are not going to get a strong credible opposition from the word «go». The more people support the opposition, the stronger and more credible it will become. Once the political scene starts changing and the opposition forces see that people are prepared to support them, new figures and leaders will emerge, more sensible people will join the opposition forces. That was my argument and not the fact that the opposition is perfect. Do you get it?

According to you and people like you — in 145 million country there is no one decent, no decent alternatives to Putin and his regime. That means one of two things — Either you are so in love with Putin that you think he is indispensable, or you think so badly of the Russian people themselves that you think they deserve such a diabolical undemocratic set up and there is nobody decent there available to challenge it.
And what does Glory to Ukraine have to do with my opinion? My opinion is mine and mine only, I don't care what others think — it is their business. You in Russia are so used to following the crowd — it is unreal, talking about the crowd mentality.
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  Redhead
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21:20 18.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> But of course you are. I tell you one «secret». «Hurray patriots» do discuss problems of Russia among themselves. But if anyone from other «camp» comes to criticise Russia they start to behave like you do when I criticise Britain. More than that. «Hurray patriots» call people russophobes left, right and center. Just like you call me anglophobe because I don't approve foreign policy of your country.
quoted1

No mate, I am not. I have been on this forum for long enough to come to the conclusion — that in Russia they are desperate to make you part of the crowd, so they assign all sorts of traits of their mentality to those who tend to think differently. And if they do not succeed, they get angry and frustrated and hateful — to anyone who doesn't want to be part of their «vatnik» crowd. You are cooler than others in that respect, but you are still trying to do that to me for some reason.

I am supposed to go out of my way now to prove I am not «a vatnik», right? Well, I wouldn't normally do it — I would just let people think what they want, but I will do it in your case, cause I respect you.
I don't mind at all when people from Russia bring up genuine problems that we have in Britain and I discussed them numerous times here with the most hard core vatnik type Russian patriots, who have a tendency to bring up the British problems out of the blue, when discussing something about Russia or current Russian crisis. In my threads I never deleted their posts in those cases, never told them «This is not in accordance with the subject of the thread, etc) Say for example, in one of the threads about the last Russian presidential elections, the so called «patriots» would jump into my thread and start talking about rapes in Rotherham. And I would drop the subject of the thread and discuss it with them — no problem. Like I said to you before — what I mind is when people tell lies and half truths, what I mind is blatant poisonous propaganda. And I already explained to you why that is.
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  Redhead
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21:24 18.12.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Just like you call me anglophobe because I don't approve foreign policy of your country.
quoted1
>

I admit, I overdid it with calling you an «Anglophobe» An Anglophobe would never try and learn the English language. So I do apologize and I mean it this time.
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