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  Redhead
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19:55 01.06.2018
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> I can't wait to see when another Evgenia's performance will appear in the internet, for now we have only some photos like that
> You know, for a figure skating fan off season can be extremely boring. Any new performance worth watching is like a fresh air.
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I think I know who posted those posts — it's a nutter — it's a long story. Sorry I thought it was you — got confused, take no notice. I deleted his posts and my reply too, as somehow — still have Administrator access to this forum, although haven't visited it in ages, bar this discussion.
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20:06 01.06.2018
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> What do you think about Alina's «Kitri»?
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You are not going to like my answer I am afraid. Because I am judging the performance from the artistic point of view, musicality, etc. From that point of view — it is mediocre, and what's more — totally out of sync. Have you ever seen Don Quixote? I know this ballet back to back, how it revolved through the years, etc. In fact — there will be one in London Royal Opera House next year.
Don't try and compare fs to ballet, it is a different territory, different class you see. A lot in ballet is about feet and their multiple positions, in fs that's constrained by the skating issue. Pas de cheval is part of Kitri's main theme and that can't be expressed by skating.
The girl is a nice young Spanish looking, nice outfit (costume), beyond that — the theme of the musical piece itself is lost. She just showcases her moves, it's not about interpreting music into physical movement.
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20:51 01.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> You are not going to like my answer I am afraid. Because I am judging the performance from the artistic point of view, musicality, etc. From that point of view — it is mediocre, and what's more — totally out of sync. Have you ever seen Don Quixote? I know this ballet back to back, how it revolved through the years, etc. In fact — there will be one in London Royal Opera House next year.
> Don't try and compare fs to ballet, it is a different territory, different class you see. A lot in ballet is about feet and their multiple positions, in fs that's constrained by the skating issue. Pas de cheval is part of Kitri's main theme and that can't be expressed by skating.
> The girl is a nice young Spanish looking, nice outfit (costume), beyond that — the theme of the musical piece itself is lost. She just showcases her moves, it's not about interpreting music into physical movement.
quoted1

First of all, thanks for detailed answer. I really liked it (as Evgenia's fan hahaha). To be honest Alina's lack of artisrty/musicality compared to Evgenia and other more experiensed top skaters is pretty well-known and widely discussed to the point some people call her jumping mashine (which isn't true). Usually skaters at her age are awkward and clumsy. Actually, Alina is very good for he age.
And her game was to win over everbody (including Evgenia) by maximazing her technical score. And it was a winning strategy after all. But now rules will be changed soon to prevent skaters from winning like Alina did (which is sad for me, even I'm Evgenia's fan).
After all, figure skating is a sport. In sport you win by doing stuff that others can't do. No mater how many titles you have. But that's another story.
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22:04 01.06.2018
Redhead (Expat),
Now I'm curious what will you say about
artistic side of this perfomance)


Carolina Kostner is a benchmark
in terms of artysrty/musicality in ladies figure skating.
What do you think is there a really big gap between her and Alina or it's just what people used to say?

Pls don't think that fair answer will offend me. Nobody hates figure skating more than figure skating fans

I gtg now, cya
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00:51 02.06.2018
Grin (25771),

Re Kitri — Don Quixote — pas de cheval, pirouettes, port de bras — I am posting from the I phone so you will have to click on the link and watch it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=59bVZvjt1NU

The fs version of it lacks almost everything and not just cause of this particular skater, her age or experience or whatever, but cause of figure skating in general- it's a cut below ballet in terms of musicality, artistry, expression and there is nothing they can do about it — even if they kill themselves.
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10:38 03.06.2018
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> Pls don't think that fair answer will offend me. Nobody hates figure skating more than figure skating fans
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> I gtg now, cya
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Yeah, the gap between her and Alina is huge. But even with her — in the second half of the video — a lot is out of sync. What I mean — she makes a triple jump or whatever it is called — before the culmination point in the musical piece is reached rather than during it — when the music culminates — she relaxes. I guess it is to do with the rythm during the culmination — maybe it is not right for the triple jump (timing wise I mean). For ballet dancers it is much easier to interprete the music, they have a lot more flexibility at their disposal as don't have to skate on ice. Their feet are free as well and not constrained by having to wear skates.
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11:22 03.06.2018
Hi! How are you?)

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Yeah, the gap between her and Alina is huge. But even with her — in the second half of the video — a lot is out of sync. What I mean — she makes a triple jump or whatever it is called — before the culmination point in the musical piece is reached rather than during it — when the music culminates — she relaxes. I guess it is to do with the rythm during the culmination — maybe it is not right for the triple jump (timing wise I mean). For ballet dancers it is much easier to interprete the music, they have a lot more flexibility at their disposal as don't have to skate on ice. Their feet are free as well and not constrained by having to wear skates.
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The answer is quite simple. She was 28 yo in 2014 (usually ladeis retire when they are 22−25 yo). She had to do most difficult jumps in the beginning of the program because she didn't have enough stamina to jump later. In her layout only 2A (most easy jump) was in the second half and she had small problems on the landing (but she did great job to hide it).
Как говорила Майя Плисецкая: «С возрастом приходит опыт, но уходит прыжок»
Alina on the contrary has all her jumps in the 2nd half because of the 10% bonus (jumping on tired legs is very risky). In next season that kind of layout will be banned. I'm not sure I agree with that.
Alina is 16 and she has better stamina but Carolina (who is 32 now) had decades to polish her artistry and skating skills. I think both advantages are fair.
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14:39 03.06.2018
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> Как говорила Майя Плисецкая: «С возрастом приходит опыт, но уходит прыжок»
> Alina on the contrary has all her jumps in the 2nd half because of the 10% bonus (jumping on tired legs is very risky). In next season that kind of layout will be banned. I'm not shure I agree with that.
> Alina is 16 and she has better stamina but Carolina (who is 32 now) had decades to polish her artistry and skating skills. I think both advantages are fair.
quoted1

I am in Monte Carlo — Principal de Monaco right now — their flag is like Polish — red and white, as they are different state from France, even though only a few miles away from Nice. This place is exclusive, will be posting the pics in Sybil's Good Morning America thread.
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22:37 03.06.2018
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> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> Hi! How are you?)
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>> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>>> Yeah, the gap between her and Alina is huge. But even with her — in the second half of the video — a lot is out of sync. What I mean — she makes a triple jump or whatever it is called — before the culmination point in the musical piece is reached rather than during it — when the music culminates — she relaxes. I guess it is to do with the rythm during the culmination — maybe it is not right for the triple jump (timing wise I mean). For ballet dancers it is much easier to interprete the music, they have a lot more flexibility at their disposal as don't have to skate on ice. Their feet are free as well and not constrained by having to wear skates.
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>>The answer is quite simple. She was 28 yo in 2014 (usually ladeis retire when they are 22−25 yo). She had to do most diffucult jumps in the begining of the program because she didn't have enough stamina to jump later. In her layout only 2A (most easy jump) was in the second half and she had small problems on the landing (but she did great jop to hide it).
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>> Как говорила Майя Плисецкая: «С возрастом приходит опыт, но уходит прыжок»
>> Alina on the contrary has all her jumps in the 2nd half because of the 10% bonus (jumping on tired legs is very risky). In next season that kind of layout will be banned. I'm not shure I agree with that.
>> Alina is 16 and she has better stamina but Carolina (who is 32 now) had decades to polish her artistry and skating skills. I think both advantages are fair.
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> I am in Monte Carlo — Principal de Monaco right now — their flag is like Polish — red and white, as they are different state from France, even though only a few miles away from Nice. This place is exclusive, will be posting the pics in Sybil's Good Morning America thread.
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Glad to hear you living your best life)
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23:22 03.06.2018
Redhead (Expat),
Stephane Lambiel (male version of Carolina Kostner^^)
He is retired now, but his artistic skills, skating skills and spins are still top notch
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00:01 04.06.2018
And another Evgenia's exhibition program choreographed by herself


Lol, she saved nearly 10 000 USD by choreographing these new programs herself.
She will have to pay her new coach about 500 USD on daily basis, so has to be thrifty now.

And she is already jumping with rippons (difficult arms postition when both hands are above the head). Great!
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00:30 04.06.2018
Japanese #1 skater among ladies Satoko Miyahara She is on par with Evgenia on skating skills but unfortunately for her she has week jumps

But still she is very interesting to watch
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16:44 04.06.2018
Muhahahaha…. age limit change was voted off!!! Yeehaaa!!!





Cheers to the 3 little queens (Trusova, Kostornaya and Sherbakova) who scared the sh*t out of ISU and so many influential coaches and senior skaters that they tried to change the rules!









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17:21 04.06.2018
Who voted in favor of new age limit and failed

> LUL (expand)


List of those who abstained
> abstained (expand)
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19:27 04.06.2018
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> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
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>>> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>>>> Yeah, the gap between her and Alina is huge. But even with her — in the second half of the video — a lot is out of sync. What I mean — she makes a triple jump or whatever it is called — before the culmination point in the musical piece is reached rather than during it — when the music culminates — she relaxes. I guess it is to do with the rythm during the culmination — maybe it is not right for the triple jump (timing wise I mean). For ballet dancers it is much easier to interprete the music, they have a lot more flexibility at their disposal as don't have to skate on ice. Their feet are free as well and not constrained by having to wear skates.
>>> The answer is quite simple. She was 28 yo in 2014 (usually ladeis retire when they are 22−25 yo). She had to do most diffucult jumps in the begining of the program because she didn't have enough stamina to jump later. In her layout only 2A (most easy jump) was in the second half and she had small problems on the landing (but she did great jop to hide it).
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>>> Как говорила Майя Плисецкая: «С возрастом приходит опыт, но уходит прыжок»
>>> Alina on the contrary has all her jumps in the 2nd half because of the 10% bonus (jumping on tired legs is very risky). In next season that kind of layout will be banned. I'm not shure I agree with that.
>>> Alina is 16 and she has better stamina but Carolina (who is 32 now) had decades to polish her artistry and skating skills. I think both advantages are fair.
quoted3
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>> I am in Monte Carlo — Principal de Monaco right now — their flag is like Polish — red and white, as they are different state from France, even though only a few miles away from Nice. This place is exclusive, will be posting the pics in Sybil's Good Morning America thread.
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>Glad to hear you living your best life)
quoted1

Thank you for your positivity. Most Russians on this forum are envious and full of hatred, especially where emigrants are concerned. You are a delightful exception to that rule. Thank you.
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