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Figure skating, ballet, music etc 2

  Oleksa Єromіn
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21:08 14.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> P. S. Your track is nice — don't get me wrong, what I meant was — it is a compilation of recycled Michael Jackson's tracks from 70s and 80s with a touch of electrobeat. I looked it up — and no surprise, the band dedicated this track to Michael Jackson. But it did peak at No 1 in the UK charts in 2007. So — yeah, nice track and vivid but nothing new.
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Maybe it's the same old thing, but I found it good. You know, one year ago if you had asked me who is MO or Demi Lovato or Arctic Monkeys, I'd have gazed at you as it was Greek to me. I began to listen all this popular music not so long ago so I can know not so much about it. I would say that it was my worst mistake not to listen modern pop. It would have helped me a lot in communication with my classmates but now it is too late.

About Jackson. I heard one of his tracks, I think, Billie Jean and it sounded like he had an epilepsy. Maybe he has better tracks but that one I didn't like much. Though it is popular enough.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Amy Winehouse was not electronic dance genre at all
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You have understood me wrong because I mentioned her in connection with very short life. Live fast, die young, heh… I don't know much of any of people we have considered in our discussion at all. Maybe their names, to some tracks I listen very carefully (for example in 'Friends' song I have understood verbatim all Anne Marie was singing about what astonished me a bit). But about their life and contexts I know nothing. I even thought that Amy was American! I just listen to music. Much of it I find great and Amy's also.

I heard to Adele too but not so much. She has strong sounding but YT popped me her songs not so much that's why I maybe didn't hear to her a lot. Also, if talking about those African American origin genres, I'd wanted to show you some nice songs (although I am aware that you have heard much of them).


Actually, when I heart first Rag'n'Bone I thought that he was African American. That's how people diverse a lot, even in voice sound,

About Leonard Cohen I think you've heard of. But I have opened his talent in our chat-talks with Наблюдатель, when he showed me original Hallelujah which sounded in Shrek.
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21:19 14.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Aviccii was a breakthrough act in the electronic dance genre, just like Fatboy Slim (Norman Cook) was (this was the height of my clubbing era) — and they both were mixing tracks when DJaying as they went along — live. You probably heard of Fatboyslim
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Yes I've listened to some tracks of his. In Right Here, Right Now instrumental part is very good. In my country in the beginning of this decade dubstep like Skrillex was more popular if we're talking electronic music. It's still popular but like a part of beats in Russian rappers' songs. Though I am talking about what I have heard in the street.

Also I have remembered about some Japanese electronic music which I am sure you haven't heart yet. Here is soundtrack by Susumu Hirasawa for Satoshi Kon's animated film Millennium Actress:

That's an old song by Miharu Koshi (who singed also French and English):

I find them especially beautiful.
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21:26 14.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> With drugs — to be honest — most people across the classes have drug experiences here — most smoked dope (marijuana) at some point in time or did Coke or Es (Ecstasy). But most people don't get addicted. Why does it happen to celebrities so much? I don't know — maybe cause they achieve fame and end up earning stupid amounts of money in a very short space of time whilst still being very young and immature. When one has still a lot to do in life to get somewhere — then they can't get addicted to drugs I guess. But here they say the worst types of «drugs», which can cause the most harm to your body- are legalized and available in the shops, and that is tobacco and alcohol. With marijuana — which they are legalizing now in the UK for medicinal purposes (it has a lot of purposes for medical use — epilepsy,, etc. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/... ) — the harm is nowhere near as bad as from alcohol — most harm comes from it being mixed with tobacco when one rolls a spliff (joint). In Holland — where it was legalized ages ago — the usage of it — recreational usage is less than in the UK, the quality of it is better, etc. It's a long subject.
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I think that drugs are evil, like alcohol or tobacco. I am not going even to taste these because I have a constant fear, maybe like every normal person, to get addicted of it. I even cannot understand why do you give it a try in the UK like you described here. I am not even talking about the Netherlands.
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21:29 14.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Full speech — for those who are learning the English language it is quite nice to listen to, as he has that very posh Eton school accent- - classic and he is a very witty guy as well, his whole manner of speech — choice of words and phrase usage, etc. — reflects Eaton and Oxford education
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I hope I will listen to it. Actually I am studying English vocabulary by Howard Phillips Lovecraft prose. He uses prodigious amount of exquisite and interesting vocabulary. Reading his Call of Cthulhu I have written on my papers about 150 words!

And really here is not very popular to discuss literature, I see. Redhead, have you read Lovecraft?
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21:34 14.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
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> Actually, when I heart first Rag'n'Bone I thought that he was African American. That's how people diverse a lot, even in voice sound,
>
> About Leonard Cohen I think you've heard of. But I have opened his talent in our chat-talks with Наблюдатель, when he showed me original Hallelujah which sounded in Shrek.
quoted1

You are doing great. I got into modern music big time here because of my ex husband — we clubbed a lot, went to Ibiza regularly, he actually DJayed there himself a couple of times in one of the clubs. We didn't miss any music festivals — went to Glastonbury every year, etc. My husband now is a bit different, not so passionate about modern music and that. But the habit remained with me — I follow the events and developments in the musical world as much as I can — time permitting of course. And also — I myself have musical education, I managed — just about — to graduate from a great musical school in Moscow, Russia — playing violin before we immigrated here — basically the same year. I love classical music as well, but I know it all so well — like the back of my hand, I am a bit fed up with it really. Cause Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Bach and et cettera — well, every year for centuries now their stuff is recycled and mostly in the exact same manner by various new opera singers, ballet dancers, etc. (well, there are some variations of course, but there is so far one can go with one and the same material). Classical music is like Latin language if you like — fantastic, but a bit dead. Although they say here in England that Tchaikovsky influenced the modern pop scene here a lot — go figure.

Michael Jackson was grand, unique, very talented really. Although — I don't like him as a person, he was a bit weird in more ways than one. Some say he was a pedophile and that. I don't know really. But he was a very influential artist, there is no doubt about that.
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> You have understood me wrong because I mentioned her in connection with very short life. Live fast, die young, heh… I don't know much of any of people we have considered in our discussion at all. Maybe their names, to some tracks I listen very carefully (for example in 'Friends' song I have understood verbatim all Anne Marie was singing about what astonished me a bit). But about their life and contexts I know nothing. I even thought that Amy was American! I just listen to music. Much of it I find great and Amy's also.
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Contrary to popular belief amongst the Russians (I am judging by this forum) — the greatest stuff and most of the stuff by sheer volume in modern music comes out from here, the UK and not the States. And even all their leading musicals in Broadway are written and produced by Andrew Lloyd Webber — the British composer, the charts are topped by the Brits and all.
Rag' n'Bone is a British group also, a rock group — they won the Brits last year (Brit Awards).

Of course I heard of Leonard Cohen, who didn't? Did you know that he was Jewish Canadian whose parents immigrated to Canada from Lithuania? Fascinating, isn't it?
I must admit — his music is not my cup of tea, it is not my generation, but he is another classic. You can't not like him really — like I say, he is a classic.

Re Amy — I got you, I got you — that is why I elaborated on the issue of drug addiction, which seems to be huge with musical creative characters who are celebrities. Although — not all of them of course. I mean — the Beatles also took LSD and that, McCartney when wrote Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds - a lot of people argue that he was actually on LSD (the song itself is the abbreviation for the drug). But he leads a very healthy lifestyle and has done for a long time. So did Pink Floyd — but they are allright as well — no deaths or suicides. I don't know — depends on a person really.

Re Adele — here are probably her most played songs around the world — all her songs are written by her, herself

This is the one that made her famous worldwide
Adele — Someone Like You



Fire to the Rain




This one got her an Oscar in 2013 for her song in James Bond movie Skyfall

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21:43 14.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> I think that drugs are evil, like alcohol or tobacco. I am not going even to taste these because I have a constant fear, maybe like every normal person, to get addicted of it. I even cannot understand why do you give it a try in the UK like you described here. I am not even talking about the Netherlands.
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Drugs are evil only if one abuses them. I mean — if you were to take a packet of Paracetamol in one go — you would die a horrible death, cause your liver and kidneys would collapse. But you do take Paracetamol based drugs if you have a cold for instance. By the way, we also have a phenomenon in the UK where some people get addicted to prescription drugs (painkillers — readily available in pharmacies). Anything can be evil if not taken in moderation — alcohol can kill you, but even carrot juice can. There was a story about a man in the papers here a couple of years ago, who drank 3 litres of carrot juice a day, got addicted to it. One day his liver collapsed cause he couldn't digest that much of vitamin A — was too much for him. I am not defending recreational drug taking or anything, I am just saying — it all depends on how sensible you are — with anything. Excessive running for example can also kill — lots of runners die from heart attacks, etc. I love running, but my husband tries to get me to do it in moderation, etc. Moderation is the key to everything really. Everyone here dabbles with drugs a little during their student years mostly, but most people do not get addicted. Some do. It' like with anything — a lot of people drink now and again, but most don't become alcoholics.

I got to go now, nice talking to you.)
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21:46 14.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> es I've listened to some tracks of his. In Right Here, Right Now instrumental part is very good. In my country in the beginning of this decade dubstep like Skrillex was more popular if we're talking electronic music. It's still popular but like a part of beats in Russian rappers' songs. Though I am talking about what I have heard in the street.
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Here is another one of his that everyone loves around the world



And another — one of my favourites



P. s. I will listen to your tracks and will comment later (I want to listen to them properly, they seem rare and interesting) — I got to go now, family calls.
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21:34 16.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Also I have remembered about some Japanese electronic music which I am sure you haven't heart yet. Here is soundtrack by Susumu Hirasawa for Satoshi Kon's animated film Millennium Actress:
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Yeah, haven't heard this one yet, Very cool I must admit. Sort of — progressive electronic rock, very energizing and relaxing at the same time.
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> That's an old song by Miharu Koshi (who singed also French and English)
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This track is also nice, something one wouldn't like first off, but it sort of grows on you once you listen to it a couple of times.
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21:41 16.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
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> Actually, when I heart first Rag'n'Bone I thought that he was African American. That's how people diverse a lot, even in voice sound,
>
> About Leonard Cohen I think you've heard of. But I have opened his talent in our chat-talks with Наблюдатель, when he showed me original Hallelujah which sounded in Shrek.
quoted1
Iyeoka — I find nothing special. I mean — nothing grabs you about the track, it is kind of a nice background track — no strong melody, or beat, or anything really. I can think of much better R'n'B tracks by black musicians. Toni Braxton was great at R 'n 'B. Do you remember Toni Braxton at all?

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22:06 16.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> I think that drugs are evil, like alcohol or tobacco. I am not going even to taste these because I have a constant fear, maybe like every normal person, to get addicted of it.
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What is very good also about western societies — well, I don't know about all of them of course, but I am sure that it is similar everywhere — Britain, Holland, etc. — is that there is a lot of information about drugs here — what their effects are, what health risks they can pose, how addictive they are, etc. Once one is equipped with the information — there is nothing to fear really. What one tends to notice here re drug addiction is that there are two major groups of drug addicts. One — very poor people (sometimes homeless) who don't see a way out of their situation and those with mental health problems — people suffering from chronic depressions for instance, etc. — who rather than addressing their problems by facing them and seeking help — take drugs. Secondly — rich creative people — not all of them — like I said — but Amy, Kurt Cobain, Richard Ashcroft and many others fall into that category. When it comes to «middle of the road» sort of people you would call average, «normal» — they can go to clubs in the younger days and take Es every weekend while clubbing and function normally throughout the week or go to Amsterdam for a weekend and get stoned, then come back to their work or studying and forget all about it. They are not classed as drug addicts, but as recreational drug takers/users. That is often a very short phase (in terms of years), with some — one or two experiences even, which don't wreck one's life. If you are fearing that as soon as you puff on a spliff — you are gonna be addicted and it will wreck your life, then you of course should never touch it. But even Bill Clinton admitted to smoking dope in his youth and that didn't stop him from becoming President of the US. I am not glamorizing drugs here. But something like marijuana for instance is classed as a safer and less harmful for people than alcohol and much less addictive than tobacco and by far less harmful than tobacco. Both tobacco and alcohol are readily available in the shops, marijuana isn't. Although it is getting legalized now in Canada, US, Belgium and now in the UK they are legalizing it for medical purposes. I don't see anything majorly wrong with that at all.
On the other hand — there is a huge stigma now here against cigarette smoking — tobacco. For many years now you can't smoke inside anywhere - pubs, restaurants, etc. Not only that — smoking outside in crowded areas like bus stops is also prohibited. And a packet of cigarettes is now £10 (on average). So say if you are a smoker and smoke a pack a day — you will end up spending £300 a month on fags (that is derogatory term for cigarettes). £300 say in Russian money is about £26,000 Roubles. That is what some people earn there as their monthly salary. So that is not cheap. If you drop a cigarette butt on the floor (pavement or whatever) — the fine is £80 quid. It doesn't bother me — I stopped smoking about 13 years ago when I first got pregnant — I just couldn't do it — it made me sick. But my mother in law remembers the times (when she was very young), when they used to smoke everywhere — the Tube, buses, offices, and even in hospitals — let alone pubs and restaurants.
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22:20 16.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> And really here is not very popular to discuss literature, I see. Redhead, have you read Lovecraft?
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We haven't discussed literature here so far. I have never read Howard Lovecraft. What does he write about? But to be honest — I haven't read a book in a long time now. — don't know why, just haven't got around to it at all.
At the moment I am thinking about Paris — we are gonna be there in a couple of days. Going to Disney Land (Marne la Vallee) and Paris itself also and the suburbs. We are going for 8 days — it's half term at our kids' schools (a break in the autumn term, autumn term is the longest of the year — from September till Christmas).
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22:45 16.10.2018
Update re Brexit.

May's Chequers deal still has no supporters at all in the House of Commons — neither Remain nor Leave sides are up for it.
Secondly, the EU is not happy with the Irish border proposals https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45871254 which is the sticking point of her pushing Chequers through for the EU's approval (she is not seriously considering a defeat either in the House of Commons or in Brussels, as she is bonkers). But DUP (the party which represents Northern Ireland in the Government) is threatening to «paralyze the government's domestic agenda if Northern Ireland's place in the Union is jeopardized by a Brexit deal» https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-4... . Just to explain — Northern Irish are Unionists and wouldn't accept any dilution of the Union between Britain and Northern Ireland. The whole Ireland thing — is a fight between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, not between England and Ireland as propaganda in Russia seems to portray. Just to clarify the situation). So — at the moment — it is getting messier and messier without any solution in sight. Also 11 ministers are now threatening to resign from May's Government if Chequers is agreed in some form with the EU, which will bring down her Government. At that point anything will be possible -even the General Election. That opens up the risk of Corbyn getting into power. I hope not. The next few weeks will be crucial re this whole Brexit palaver.
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23:34 16.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> This track is also nice, something one wouldn't like first off, but it sort of grows on you once you listen to it a couple of times.
>
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Do you mean that it becomes boring fast or what? I haven't understood your expression.
> . I got into modern music big time here because of my ex husband — we clubbed a lot, went to Ibiza regularly, he actually DJayed there himself a couple of times in one of the clubs. We didn't miss any music festivals — went to Glastonbury every year, etc.
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I listen to modern Pop just to relax. First I used music to make my Math homework not so boring and then I got into it. First searching in YT some well-known tracks like Lambada, Moskau, classics of rock music and so on, then went modern pop and thus I have learned from zero much of what my past acquainted were listening to. Now it is a way easier to me to communicate and it's just fun to listen good music and open something new and beautiful, just like that Right here, Right now by Fatboy Slim.

Such is my story.
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> Did you know that he was Jewish Canadian whose parents immigrated to Canada from Lithuania?
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I knew that he was a Jew and only. Наблюдатель posted in the chat room his last track on the day he died:

I think that you've listened to it. Did you listened to lyrics attentively?
A million candles burning for the help that never came
<…>
Hineni, hineni
I'm ready, my lord

Symbolic that before he died he had written such words. Nab thinks that he did everything in this world and there was nothing for him to do. Such a divine feeling of having made all what you wanted to do, express and say to the whole world. Just a logical end of all doings, of which I would like to dream.

About drugs. It is just my principle not to consume any drugs. I know a lot about alcohol, that different people can become high with different dozes of it etc. But I just do not want. I agree that when a man has knowledge of something he becomes more protected. But in this case I have found your post a bit surprising for me, so I cannot give you my clear position on this question. It demands thinking of all 'for' and 'against' what deserves a whole topic to discuss.
> Iyeoka — I find nothing special. I mean — nothing grabs you about the track, it is kind of a nice background track — no strong melody, or beat, or anything really. I can think of much better R'n'B tracks by black musicians. Toni Braxton was great at R 'n 'B. Do you remember Toni Braxton at all?
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No, I didn't. I have listened to her song a while ago. If it's R'n'B, I can tell you that I have listened to other singers of this genre — Gloria Gaynor and Whitney Houston. In comparison, really, they are much stronger than Iyeoka. The last is just a typical example of some phenomenon.

For today that is all I can say now. I will comment other your posts (and about Lovecraft too) later and dig for some new nice songs and melodies.
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00:05 17.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> This track is also nice, something one wouldn't like first off, but it sort of grows on you once you listen to it a couple of times.
> Do you mean that it becomes boring fast or what? I haven't understood your expression.
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Quite on the contrary. There are different types of tracks. Some you like straight away — after listening to it once — i.e. first off . But these are the ones you get bored with quickly as well. Easy come, easy go — as they say. And then there are tracks that you don't like listening to the first time round, but when you listen to it the second, third time — you start liking them more and more — i.e. they «grow on you». That track is the latter type in my description. Do you get my point now?
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> I listen to modern Pop just to relax. First I used music to make my Math homework not so boring and then I got into it. First searching in YT some well-known tracks like Lambada, Moskau, classics of rock music and so on, then went modern pop and thus I have learned from zero much of what my past acquainted were listening to. Now it is a way easier to me to communicate and it's just fun to listen good music and open something new and beautiful, just like that Right here, Right now by Fatboy Slim.
>
> Such is my story.
quoted1
It's a lovely story. You remind me of me a bit. I used to listen to pop, rap, R'n'B and classic rock while doing my Maths homework and boring things like that.
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> I'm ready, my lord
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> Symbolic that before he died he had written such words. Nab thinks that he did everything in this world and there was nothing for him to do. Such a divine feeling of having made all what you wanted to do, express and say to the whole world. Just a logical end of all doings, of which I would like to dream.
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Yes, Leonard Cohen was definitely a giver in this world and not a taker. Lots of talented creative people are. Vincent Van Gogh is another example.


Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> About drugs. It is just my principle not to consume any drugs. I know a lot about alcohol, that different people can become high with different dozes of it etc. But I just do not want. I agree that when a man has knowledge of something he becomes more protected. But in this case I have found your post a bit surprising for me, so I cannot give you my clear position on this question. It demands thinking of all 'for' and 'against' what deserves a whole topic to discuss.
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I am not trying to convince you to take any kind of drugs (God forbid) You got me totally wrong. I am just trying to get you to see (understand) things from the point of view of the society we live in here. There is a lot of discussion about things like this here, constantly — on telly, media, even in schools they educate kids about this (dangers , peer pressure , etc) I got kids growing up and I listen to all this. I had my own experiences as well during my clubbing days etc, so what? It didn't derail me in any way, they were not bad experiences, nothing went wrong at the time with me progressing in my life/career/relationships, etc.. Experiences — they add to your life wisdom, to your immunity you know. I got kids growing up and I live in the society where recreational drug taking is a fact of life — amongst middle class and upper class youngsters as well. And I am glad that I won't be one of those mums who will flap out like headless chickens and throw their kid out of the house if their teen kid happens to go out to a club one night with their mates and comes home «out of it». I will know exactly how to handle it and what advice to give them and how to guide and protect them.
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00:22 17.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> No, I didn't. I have listened to her song a while ago. If it's R'n'B, I can tell you that I have listened to other singers of this genre — Gloria Gaynor and Whitney Houston
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Gloria Gaynor and Whitney Houston were strong prominent singers, especially Whitney Houston. R'n'B is Rythm and Blues — the genre was popularized a lot in 1940s in the States by the African American communities and has some of its roots in gospel music (gospel — people singing in churches, which they love to do in Christian black communities). Soul and jazz also have their roots there. And in the UK also — black music played a huge role — the UK had colonies in Africa, America, various islands, etc.. There was a lot of exchange, cultural exchange and so on. Sometimes it is impossible to say where some genres started off — in black or white communities. At one point in the very beginning even Rolling Stones were promoted as an R'n'B band, so were the Who and the Animals — British R'n'B. At one point, although their main genre was of course rock and rock drew from many genres — R'n'B, country, etc. It's a long subject.
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