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Figure skating, ballet, music etc 2

  Oleksa Єromіn
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19:59 30.09.2018
Redhead (Expat), Excuse me, but I assume I won't be able to answer you today… But we will continue our little conversation next week. In addition, I promise you to bring some great music to listen, esp. in not English language. I hope to surprise you!
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20:04 30.09.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> ⍟ Redhead (Expat), Excuse me, but I assume I won't be able to answer you today… But we will continue our little conversation next week. In addition, I promise you to bring some great music to listen, esp. in not English language. I hope to surprise you
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Please do take your time and don't apologize, English is native for me —
I've lived in England for the most part of my life, it's ultra easy for me to communicate in English — much easier than in Russian. You are doing me a favour, not the other way around — it is harder for you to write in English and I understand that, I appreciate the fact that you and Grin are just showing interest in my language and my country — music, comedy, etc. Thank you for that. I am looking forward to your answers and the tracks.
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12:27 02.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Guys — my girl — my daughter got the result from the LAMDA (London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts) exam today (standing up poetry — that's a starting level that she did this summer, she is doing the LAMDA first level acting exam later this term in her Drama School) and to get Distinction one had to get 80 points. She got 88 (!!!!!). We just got the text from the Drama Teacher. They are going to give out the Certificates later this term. I am so proud. I will post the picture of her Certificate here when she gets it. I am on top of the world
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Hi, glad to hear it. Congrats!

P. S. Sorry for not replying for too long
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15:16 02.10.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> Guys — my girl — my daughter got the result from the LAMDA (London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts) exam today (standing up poetry — that's a starting level that she did this summer, she is doing the LAMDA first level acting exam later this term in her Drama School) and to get Distinction one had to get 80 points. She got 88 (!!!!!). We just got the text from the Drama Teacher. They are going to give out the Certificates later this term. I am so proud. I will post the picture of her Certificate here when she gets it. I am on top of the world
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>Hi, glad to hear it. Congrats!
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> P. S. Sorry for not replying for too long
quoted1

Thanks, I am very proud of her, the main thing is that she is enjoying it (touch wood).

P. S. I am deleting my pic, as the option to edit the post disappears after a while.

P.S 2

May was booed at the Tory Party Conference which is dominated by Rees Mogg and Johnson. We will see what happens, but I reckon she will hang on to her primeministership, she already said «I am here to stay», even though she is losing her supporters, they are switching to Johnson https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
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17:43 02.10.2018
Alina during her new exhibition program «Tomb Raider»



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17:51 02.10.2018




Medvedeva is a big deal in ladies figure skating. But there are lots of other skaters in Russia. So I find this comment of a random US ladies fan misleading.
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00:20 04.10.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Medvedeva is a big deal in ladies figure skating. But there are lots of other skaters in Russia. So I find this comment of a random US ladies fan misleading.
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The American skater looks too smug.

«Smug» — in case you don't know what that means

smug
smʌɡ/Submit
adjective
having or showing an excessive pride in oneself or one's achievements.
«he was feeling smug after his win»
synonyms: self-satisfied, complacent, self-congratulatory, superior, puffed up

In any case why are they writing off Medvedeva already? One bad performance means nothing. If anything — it might spur her on to do better than everyone else next time round.

P. S. It was my oldest son's birthday today and my littlest son's — Monday just gone. They both had parties where everyone from their classes was invited. The amount of noise at kids' parties is exhausting, I don't know how teachers at school cope (especially during the breaks when they all come out to the school's playground and «let off steam».). But they loved it. The party goes on forever — first looking forward to it, then writing out the invites, then the party, then opening 30 presents (in my oldest son's case — 22, as there are less kids in his class, but he had a couple of friends also from his previous school), and this week they both have to write out zillions of «Thank you «cards (thank you for kids' presents). This is the birthday etiquette here you see. Anyway — we are totally exhausted.» No rest for the wicked «as they say (it's just an English saying — meaning — «It never stops».)
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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19:21 04.10.2018
Redhead (Expat), Yes, and I don't see anything strange in watching Monty Python. Much of them is hilarious, but I didn't see all of them. Some sketches, for example about a dead parrot or Philosophers' football match and so on and their movie 'Life of Brian' most of which is very funny. But what I have remembered the most is 'Silly job interview'.

I didn't see the Blackadder. And in first video, I must confess, I understand nothing because of this (again, heh) accent and such a quick tempo. But second is quite sharp. Though I like more watching films than TV series or comedy shows. And most of them are American. May be you could remark some classic British movie with deep problems showed? Like Scorseze's or Coppola's.
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Because the culture is different. It is a culture of an individual here. Me, my house, my money, mine — that's it. I speak the way I wanna speak. It is not the culture of the crowd.
quoted1
Yeah, I see. Interesting how do Muslims integrate in your society?
> People go out for drinks a lot. If you don't go out with your workmates, friends etc — your behaviour is considered a bit anti social — people see you as a spoil sport, etc.
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Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> You don't have musical education. English is better than any other both aesthetically and rationally (rationally — from the point of view of the English language already being the international language.)
quoted1
Everything you have described here is not aesthetic but rational, in my understanding at least. Only aesthetic feature you described is about pronunciation: English has a really nice sound in comparison with German, for example. But others are just to make life easier. Short words, as you said, most of them ending on the same vowel etc.

But in every language you can do every melody you want: fast and slow, nice sounding and harsh. For example here is German white rapper Peter Fox:
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It sounds hard but fast enough and energetic. And here is another melody of his, but very lovely and slow.
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Even in Polish can be a song with a nice sounding, though it's considered by many as 'pshekish'.
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Also you heart melodies I gave you in French and Spanish, that by the definition cannot have 'harsh' sound.
Another tracks in German:
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Here is Nena's 99 Luftballons in German and in English. For me German version sounds better because of its strictness, and the second is enough blurry, though first one does not lose anything in the beauty of singing.
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Maybe it is tense enough, but I cannot imagine Ode and die Freude in English language. Maybe you can tell an argument against, I will listen to.
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And in the end, every man consider his own language the best one. English the English, German the German, because it is their mother tongue, in which they heard their first songs in a cradle. And even if I don't have musical education it doesn't mean that I cannot define where is the beauty and where is the ugliness.
Also some French songs in addition:
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And you didn't understand what I meant. In my opinion the number of views on YT is directly proportional to the number of population speaking that language. That's why Indila and Stromae have 300 million views, and Iglesias about a billion, and Taylor Swift about 2 billions. Because more people speak French than Polish or German, more speak Spanish than French and the most of the Earth's population understands English.

Actually, is Gangnam style covered officially in English?

If you remember, it the first YT track to beat 1 billion barrier.
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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19:24 04.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Really? What about the Swedish Zara Larrson that you cited here as an example of great pop music?
quoted1
Excuse me, I didn't notice your post about her.
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20:51 04.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
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> Actually, is Gangnam style covered officially in English?
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> If you remember, it the first YT track to beat 1 billion barrier.
quoted1

You made so many points above - I won't be able to answer all of them, but I can just sum up what I think about all these «dilemmas» of yours re languages. You must be a linguist of some sort, cause I am not you see, so have never bothered to think about all this in such thorough detail.

Re — English v American comedy films. Some of it is a matter of taste of course. For me — the English comedy is sharper and funnier. There is so much of it: on telly, films, etc. The TV series like Little Britain (where the chavvy characters are portrayed), Keeping up Appearances, Blackadder, Monty Python, the Office, The Fast Show etc. — are so hilarious — I can laugh till my lungs literally hurt, it's unreal. Most of those comedies are bought by other countries like Germany and they come out in German, in the States too — they tried to make their version of the Office for instance — but it wasn't the same. I really don't know — I guess tastes differ. But for me the English with their sense of humour are the funniest of the lot — even in day to day life one ends up laughing one's head off. I love the Irish comedy too — like Father Ted for instance.

It is clear that your problem with the English and preference for the American version of it lies in your understanding (or lack thereof ) of the English language and its endless accents. When I immigrated here — I remember distinctly that I failed to understand everything — even on telly. I struggled to understand EastEnders for instance — that's a long running soap (the first episode came out in 1985) about people who live in the East End of London, cause most of the accents are Cockney or Essex. Or Corrie (Coronation Street) — that's a soap about those who live up North — in Manchester mainly. But I understood perfectly politicians and TV presenters speaking in the House of Commons and on telly respectively (that is why you probably understood the second episode of Blackadder much better, because that's where Pitt the younger speaks in Parliament). Now I understand all the accents and actually — after having lived in London for nearly 20 years — I am bored to death with snooty posh English, RP and London middle class accents. I appreciate all these «weird» accents much more — like Northern Irish, Cornish, Scottish, Mancunian, etc. I lived in the States for nearly a year a while ago and have been a few times relatively lately and in the States they think that English accents are awesome and beautiful. That's perhaps cause they are tired of their own accents. I don't know. To an English ear an American or Canadian accent sound great, but a bit loud and harsh. More rhythmical. But the Americans say that the English speak their language as if they were singing. I don't know really. If you find the American version more agreeable with you — then stick to it, nothing wrong with that whatsoever. I am an English girl through and through now, that's just me.
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21:01 04.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Actually, is Gangnam style covered officially in English?
quoted1

Not really. Why would it be officially covered? To tell you the truth — there are so many versions of the English language in the world — the English themselves somehow manage to understand all of them and they are not bothered if people twist their language in different ways. Not in the slightest. They are extremely tolerant, perhaps that is part of the reason why the English language dominates in the world, they are not protective of it in the slightest — not like the French with their language for instance. The French also had colonies around the world at one point and their language is beautiful, but never became global, well not truly global. It didn't take off even in Europe. But in France — the English language took off massively. Go figure.
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21:10 04.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Excuse me, I didn't notice your post about her.
quoted1

Most of the Swedish global pop acts — ABBA, Ace of Base, Zara Larsson, Blue Swede, Europe (their track «The Final Countdown» went global very quickly) and so on — the list is endless, truly endless — read up on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music_in_S... — were influenced massively by the British rock and pop scene, so were the Finnish, the Germans, etc. And still are.

The tracks you posted in other languages are great, but they will never make global charts and won't sell on a massive scale unless sung in English. I am not being a chauvinist here, just a realist. That niche is taken and nothing can change that. Absolutely nothing. It is too late now. There has been a lot of talk coming out of Europe for ages — out of Europe especially, cause all the nations in Europe are old nations with rich historical and cultural background — about how they can stop the English language and culture spreading so much that it overtakes their domestic culture. But the process has only been accelerating — like a snowball on steroids and there's nothing anyone seems to be able to do about that.
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21:21 04.10.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Yeah, I see. Interesting how do Muslims integrate in your society?
quoted1

The issue of Muslim integration is massively overblown in Russia and Ukraine I guess as well. First of all, there are not as many of them as they tell you there are (around 6% of the total population, I guess there are more Asian people living in Russia — as most of Russia lies in Asia, not in Europe — in terms of territory). Secondly, they integrate just fine — some better than others. Some stick to their own communities, some integrate better. But most tend to live in big cities like London, Manchester (cause big cities are much more cosmopolitan and ethnically diverse by nature and this is where immigrants tend to gravitate cause there are more job opportunities in big conglomerates), in Birmingham there is a sizeable Asian community of Muslims too. Most of them are hardworking, law abiding people and don't cause any problems. There are some nutcases who are involved in terror activities, but in the UK they are relatively few compared to other EU countries. Perhaps because the society here is very civilised and the Muslims who live here have grown to love this country.
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10:09 05.10.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> In any case why are they writing off Medvedeva already?
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Some figure skating fans started it since her olympic silver medal. She was dominating almost for 3 years so she has many haters.

I hope it will work for Evgenia and she will be competitive next Olympics (I know it is highly unlikely, because there are at least 5 Russian girls who look more promising now, it will be hard for her to make it to the team in 2022).
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> P. S. It was my oldest son's birthday today and my littlest son's — Monday just gone. They both had parties where everyone from their classes was invited. The amount of noise at kids' parties is exhausting, I don't know how teachers at school cope (especially during the breaks when they all come out to the school's playground and «let off steam».). But they loved it. The party goes on forever — first looking forward to it, then writing out the invites, then the party, then opening 30 presents (in my oldest son's case — 22, as there are less kids in his class, but he had a couple of friends also from his previous school), and this week they both have to write out zillions of «Thank you «cards (thank you for kids' presents). This is the birthday etiquette here you see. Anyway — we are totally exhausted.» No rest for the wicked «as they say (it's just an English saying — meaning — «It never stops».)
quoted1
Congrats!
I'm going to Georgia for the second time soon (8th October). So I have to do some work in advance in the office. That's why I almost have no time now and feeling so tired in the evenings.
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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17:07 05.10.2018
Redhead (Expat), no, I pointed on Muslims in context of drinking culture. You said that people in England are so independent persons, but each has to go and drink in pubs. Something like Komsomol with folk roots.

I will give answer on other issues later.
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