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Figure skating, ballet, music etc 2

  Grin
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22:36 26.09.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Crap really, but what can you do?
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Well, I can listen to almost every music depending on my mood.
I've just remembered one clip, I watch it from time to time

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22:49 26.09.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> In my opinion, there is a lot of different crap, as you say, even not in every century but in every decade. Let's look on post-Soviet republics. In the end o 90's was very popular songs on criminal themes or just about how I with my bitch revell, having sex, beat each other in a face and so on, what is for unknown reason called chanson. Today is very popular 'russian rap' (that's when some guy with no voice reads aloud stupid texts on the themes considered above) or pop-music just like the Western.
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I agree. Russian chanson is utter crap. But not Vysotsky. He kind of bordered on rock. But - a lot of rap and rock in general is politicized, about social issues, etc. Some rap is purely party or drug music.

Compare these two rap tracks

This one highlights the social issues blacks have

Tinie Tempah (Written in the Stars)



Ouuu wee



Both are not bad tracks actually, both decent enough

Even Beatles and Pink Floyd and David Bowie wrote drug music — LSD (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was McCartney's trip on LSD), Pink Floyd wouldn't have come up with psychedelic rock if they didn't take drugs now and again, etc.
Russia chanson is the kind of music an alcoholic would have written. The stuff that was written during the Perestroyka times there — is more about the social issues, problems in society, etc.
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Rock is just like other genres, so there could be nice music and there could be crude parody on music. Everything can be commercialised.
quoted1

Some rock is commercial, some isn't. Pink Floyd can hardly be called commercial. That's creme de la creme as they say. However, not all commercial stuff is bad either. Freddie appealed to everyone on the planet, was very commercial, but — probably the most talented musician of the last century.

Queen and David Bowie.



Sometimes a song needs to be commercialized to get through to the public at large. Very few know that the author of the Man Who Sold the World was David Bowie for instance. But it was Nirvana with Kurt who brought it to the public. And to be honest, even Bowie admitted that Kurt's remix was better and I like it more to be honest.



Kurt



It's a long subject. Gotta go now, nice evening to all — talk later.)
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23:54 26.09.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, I can listen to almost every music depending on my mood.
>
quoted1
Same here.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I've just remembered one clip, I watch it from time to time
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quoted1
That is horrendous, real trash — sorry to say. Something similar, but a little better — empowering light rock

Imagine Dragons (American)



Better still — Coldplay (British born and bred)





Yeah, by the way — continuing on the topic of modern British music — Ed Sheeran — have you heard of him?



Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I 've just remembered one clip
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P. S. For a while I have been seeing this happening  — you using the «have done» when using «just». Whenever you use «just» — NEVER use the «have been/done» — use just «did/was» instead. I.e. I just remembered (NEVER «I have just remembered»). It really stands out as bad English. When you use «just» — use Past tense. Always. Sorry — don't mean to be a boring old «grammar police», it is just it stands out and you keep doing it. I thought I would mention it, I mean well.
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09:23 27.09.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> P. S. For a while I have been seeing this happening — you using the «have done» when using «just». Whenever you use «just» — NEVER use the «have been/done» — use just «did/was» instead. I.e. I just remembered (NEVER «I have just remembered»). It really stands out as bad English. When you use «just» — use Past tense. Always. Sorry — don't mean to be a boring old «grammar police», it is just it stands out and you keep doing it. I thought I would mention it, I mean well.
quoted1
Oh, thanks. Feel free to correct me. It's ok.
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09:24 27.09.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Imagine Dragons (American)
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I'll listen to them at home this evening
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09:39 27.09.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Oh, thanks. Feel free to correct me. It's ok.
>
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To be honest, just out of interest I googled it yesterday and everyone on the net says that in British English «I have just remembered» is preferable, «I just remembered» is American English. https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/144360/c...

I then I asked my husband — and he said «Either is OK, why are you asking?» But when I said «What would you say ?», he said «I just remembered». I never think about it, just say what people around me are saying. If you say «I just did something» — just kind of means «a moment ago», highlights the time, so that's it, it can't be in the present tense.

Got to go to work now, have nice day).
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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18:16 27.09.2018
Redhead (Expat), You do not understand what I have mentioned, luckily. Rap can be awesome, for example this song by Eminem is just lovely:

But modern Russian rap has the same themes that Russian chanson has: vulgar vocabulary, sex, criminal themes. But the most of it is some nonsence like 'Sixth storey is like a fifth, but a storey higher'. Youngsters listen to it. Maybe because of its annoying (for me) beats.

Also I did not consider Vysotskiy. But Russian chanson can be also beatiful though not most of it:

Krug sings very good, but main ideas of his lyrics are awful in my opinion:


About commercion. I wanted to say that commercialising of music can harm it if singers do not have strong will. Otherwise they will do only pop and mainstream. It is not from music world, but idea is the same: when Pavlo Tychyna (and maybe many Russian authors too) got CheKa and totalitarian state as his 'producers', his verses from musicial, nice became just an agitation a la 'Трактор в полі дир-дир-дир, ми за працю ми за мир!' In music it can be about love, sex and so on.

Also I propose you to listen to some modern Ukrainian popular music. I think that nobody hears to it in civilised world:

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18:36 27.09.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER),
Hi there. Welcome to the thread.
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  Grin
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18:36 27.09.2018
First look at Zagitova' short program


She has beaten Eugenia's score by 9 points (79 vs 70).

Redhead (Expat),
I know it isn't completely appropriate to compare scores given by different judging panels, but still...
how do you feel, is the gap between their scores correct?
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20:36 27.09.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Hi there. Welcome to the thread.
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I am glad to meet you!
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23:24 27.09.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> A.e., some songs by Clean Bandit are just beatiful (here except the part of a rapper):
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Clean bandit is an English group -from Cambridge I think, they mostly play electro pop style songs, dance pop etc. Yeah, they are quite good, very popular here. Although to be fair — Rockabye Baby track was such a success cause they collaborated with Ann Marie — she has the most amazing sexy voice (she is an English singer as well). Here is her latest hit everybody loves



Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> By the wat, this band play not so simplistic melodies and it is interesting to listen to them. But if we take some other mainstream band:
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Arctic Monkeys is a fantastic group, it is an indie rock group. Indie — well, that used to mean «Independent» ~(i.e. independent from major producing music labels.) The genre was born in England in 1970s, but now means something else — it is a style called «urban rock», «pop guitar rock» — it is what appeals to young bohemic (Bohemia) middle class working people living in urban areas here quite a lot. Arctic Monkeys had a huge concert in London last week, I missed it unfortunately, but there you go.
Indie rock is one of my favourite music genres of all time. Actually — my first husband played in an indie rock band, but they were not famous or anything like that. At the time of our relationship I fell in love with Indie Rock and at the time the niche was dominated by the Verve (an English band from Wigan) — they were mega popular here, but Richard Ashcroft (the lead vocal) — had a lot of drug problems, so their success was short lived. But they turned out some beautiful tracks. Mostly from their one hit album — but it was one of the best selling albums in British rock history. Some lovely tracks from there
The Sonnet


Bittersweet symphony



Lucky Man

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23:32 27.09.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
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> About commercion. I wanted to say that commercialising of music can harm it if singers do not have strong will. Otherwise they will do only pop and mainstream. It is not from music world, but idea is the same: when Pavlo Tychyna (and maybe many Russian authors too) got CheKa and totalitarian state as his 'producers', his verses from musicial, nice became just an agitation a la 'Трактор в полі дир-дир-дир, ми за працю ми за мир!' In music it can be about love, sex and so on.
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> Also I propose you to listen to some modern Ukrainian popular music. I think that nobody hears to it in civilised world:
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I understand what you mean now. The state of Russian modern music (rap, pop, rock, etc.) is so bad that I can't even listen to it at all. Amateurs here sing better than their stage artists. It is just horrible. I discussed it with Ebola here (he writes some pieces still that he sells to some artists there) — there are two reasons for it.

Number one — corruption. The stage is dominated by old familiar faces who have been there for years upon years, there is hardly any proper competition, etc. Secondly — no one sings in English, so they are kind of cut off from the rest of the music world. None of them are known here or can go global. On the plus side — they bought licences of the reality TV talent shows (all designed in Britain of course) — like Voice, Russia got talent, etc. So — that is one avenue for young artists to showcase themselves I guess
Those Ukrainian tracks you posted are nice-ish, but again — language is the major problem. If one wants to go global — they should sing in English. It is not just that people don't understand what their songs are about (with rock the lyrics are of paramount importance), but music sounds better in English — it just does.
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23:42 27.09.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> I know it isn't completely appropriate to compare scores given by different judging panels, but still…
> how do you feel, is the gap between their scores correct?
>
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I wouldn't know how meaningful the gap of 9 points in figure skating performance is, but I watched it and she is on a different level from Medvedeva. I mean — Medvedeva is nice, sexy, very artistic and all that, but at the end of the day — this is not theatre or cabaret. It is sport. So they have to achieve higher and higher levels all the time — with their jumping and what not. Zagitova seems to be a lot stronger as a skater. And also — in art — well even in ballet, sometimes when one doesn't do a good performance — the public judges them by their previous successes, reputation. Here this wouldn't wash. They can't ride on their previous achievements. If a mistake is made — there's a price to pay. It is quite harsh really.
What else I wanted so say about coaching, etc. If Zagitova has a Russian coach who is micro-managing her like a dragon, on her back all the time etc and that is what Medvedeva used to have and got used to, in the West — it is not like that — well, I am talking about the general culture- judging by ballet schools, etc. Yes, coaches motivate you, spend time with you etc. But a lot of it is about self motivation. It is just a different culture. So if she got used to the Russian approach, she might find the Canadian approach very different in the beginning. But who knows — maybe she will get used to it and do well in the end.
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23:53 27.09.2018
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Rap can be awesome,
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Eminem's rap — well some of it is awesome, of course it is — he is the most successful white rapper of all times — legendary I would say. Can't compare that to anything they are doing in Russia.
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00:19 28.09.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> She has beaten Eugenia's score by 9 points (79 vs 70).
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>> ⍟ Redhead (Expat),
quoted2
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>> I know it isn't completely appropriate to compare scores given by different judging panels, but still…
>> how do you feel, is the gap between their scores correct?
>>
quoted2
>I wouldn't know how meaningful the gap of 9 points in figure skating performance is, but I watched it and she is on a different level from Medvedeva. I mean — Medvedeva is nice, sexy, very artistic and all that, but at the end of the day — this is not theatre or cabaret. It is sport. So they have to achieve higher and higher levels all the time — with their jumping and what not. Zagitova seems to be a lot stronger as a skater. And also — in art — well even in ballet, sometimes when one doesn't do a good performance — the public judges them by their previous successes, reputation. Here this wouldn't wash. They can't ride on their previous achievements. If a mistake is made — there's a price to pay. It is quite harsh really.
> What else I wanted so say about coaching, etc. If Zagitova has a Russian coach who is micro-managing her like a dragon, on her back all the time etc and that is what Medvedeva used to have and got used to, in the West — it is not like that — well, I am talking about the general culture- judging by ballet schools, etc. Yes, coaches motivate you, spend time with you etc. But a lot of it is about self motivation. It is just a different culture. So if she got used to the Russian approach, she might find the Canadian approach very different in the beginning. But who knows — maybe she will get used to it and do well in the end.
quoted1
Well, 9 points gap in short program means exactly «she is on a different level»
The funny thing Alina got more points not only in technical score (she used to do it for years), she beat Evgenia in presentation score too (for the 1st time). I think it happened because Alina got plenty of transitions in her program. Evgenia also used to have plenty of them, but for some reasons there aren't many in her new programs. Btw, transitions can boost technical score too (for example, creative entry to a jump). I don't have a clue why her new choreographer did it to Evgenia. May be they will add some transitions later in the season…

Now about micro-managing like a dragon, Eteri has too many students, usually a coach has 2−5 students. Eteri has 26, so there is a rule in her group they have to compete for her attention, because she can't spend a lot of time with everyone.
And yes, she is a mother of evil for many haters figure skating fans because of her work ethics.
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