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  Grin
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23:51 31.07.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> They were very hard on them
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It is true. Professional coaches are also very often behave like that in Russia.

On the other hand if Alina was Canadian or American citizen, she could never become olympic champion, because only upper middle class and rich people in these countries can afford good coaches and other stuff you need if you take it seriously. In Russia if you are successful, you can train for free.
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23:51 31.07.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I am exhausted, so switching off the forum now, will read your answers properly and reply tomorrow, as I want to do it properly, don't want to write rubbish when I am tired.
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00:04 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Be honest with yourself. When you came on the forum, the Kremlebots and Anti Maidanists had the upper hand here, they enjoyed getting into gangs of trolls and bullying and abusing other users which were few and far between — Russian opposition, emigrants, Ukrainians. You happily joined in with them. When the balance tumbled to the other side a little, you left. As it was not as much fun. Simples.
> And you created tons of negativity about Ukraine, tried to write personal abusive stuff about other users — like Sivilla, Fly and me. You posted pics where Ukrainians were pictured as pigs, etc. When there was no need to — at all, there was too much of such ugly stuff here already. Now that a lot of Russian opposition are writing here and the Ukrainians are not bullied as much by the ugly Kremlin trolls — I don't feel the need to even write on the main forum. What's more — I feel like «patriots» are in the minority now and I even feel sorry for them (not all of them — just those kind ones, who are truly lost because of the propaganda). I want to post something nice about Russia — so that they don't feel as bad and angry, but I don't know what. I don't want to lie, etc.
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I see it from the different side. I never cared about majorities or minorities. I never really cared about how influential my group is. I'm clever enough to play hostile administration if I want to (for example see my event with Israeli flags and avatars that caused admins to change rules about flags).

I left this forum mainly becuase of two reasons — I was disgusted with its administration and I was bored, that's it.

P.S. About Sivilla, Fly and etc. I've already explained you my point of view about trolling.

P.P.S. I think it will be better if Kremlebots, Antimaidan leave this forum. They are doing it already, but I think the process is too slow.
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00:12 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Poppycock. I don't mind criticisms about Britain at all — I mind the lies, I mind — when those who have never been here, don't speak the language, don't know the culture, the country — come up with judgements based on continuous lies and Putin's propaganda machine, which whips up hatred in Russia for the West, whilst his entourage comes to our country — buy property here, educate their kids here, keep their money here, invest here, etc. You should watch them here — you should hear what they say about your Mother Russia here. I met some civil servants here — who milk Russia and fancy their life here. That is just so hypocritical — it's unreal.
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Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> in the same way Glory to Ukraine members criticise Russia (lots of their statements are false and dump — thanks to Ukrainian war propaganda).
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00:14 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> You live in a dictatorship at the moment with no laws
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lol, it is not true
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00:22 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Secondly, Russians are not good enough to criticise Britain. They live in a country which is far less developed, less democratic and backwards. All they can do is look up to Britain and learn from Britain. Sorry but true. Even when the French criticise Britain I am thinking — they are a lot less democratic than the UK, but at least they are closer to us in terms of their stage of development. So are the Germans, the Americans, the Canadians. But not the Russians. You live in a dictatorship at the moment with no laws, no proper social system, no protections, no respect for people's rights. How the f dare you criticise the most developed democracy in the world?
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It's all debatable. Anyway, does that justify your foreign policy towards some less developed countries? Does it gives your politicians right to turn life of millions of people into a nightmare (like they do in the Middle East)? I don't think so.

But if you speak about Russians who criticise your democracy, I agree with you. It's not our place to do it. Even if some of your traditions look creepy/embarrassing/something from middle ages/at least you don't behead people on squares like Saudi Arabia


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00:26 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> What propaganda do they need? You annexed their territory, stirred up a nasty war in another. What do you expect from them? The other day Putin was suggesting for a referendum to be carried out in Donbass. How dares he? It is not his country. Russians on this forum behave appallingly — they gloat at Ukrainians, disrespect their country, etc.- gloat at the fact that they took Crimea by force, that people are suffering and dying in Donbass. Ukrainians are doing a lot of gloating at Russia's misfortunes as well, but it is not them that started the aggression against your country — it is the other way around. So their position is understandable.
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Ukrainian journalists openly proclaim at Poroshenko's owned TV-channel that their goal is to create alternative reality for Ukrainians because it is «war with Russia».
If you want I can give you plenty examples of Ukrainian fakes and propaganda. But it will be long and boring process (they do it on daliy basis, so...)

Seriously, state of Ukrainian media is very close to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Télévision_L... RTLM
One must be completely unaware about what is going on there if he claims Ukrainian propaganda is more like western propaganda.
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00:36 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, at least he is exposing some truths about the depth of corruption in Russia. He is a brave man, he went to prison himself. He is not asking his followers to take risks that he hasn't taken himself in the past. Does he not deserve a holiday or something? Is that what you are suggesting?
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Well, he was at vacations 6 or 7 times this year already (each was long enough), I don't mind it.
But he is just using his followers. He could easly arrange that protests with Moscow authorieis, but he wanted only Tverskaya street (so Putin could see it from his office). He knew it was impossible, his goal was to make some noise to foreign media. He indangered his followers by doing so. And going to holiday during that protest was very serious mistake. He makes so many mistakes some people think he is working for Kremlin. I think he isn't working for Kremlin, but Kremlin is ok with that kind of protest leader.
Btw, today's satire by Elkin (he works for Deutsche Welle in Russia)



Navalny ruined every opportunity to unite anti-Putin opposition in Russia.
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00:40 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I did a 4 hour run this afternoon (they let me off work after lunch — they are very understanding about this in my office, they respect me for it, as it is for charity) — for the first time in weeks. I have a charity half marathon event (13 miles) on Saturday morning. I thought I would pull out of it — as haven't done enough training, but today's run was great. I am staying in.
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Wow, I can't run for 4 hours in a row. I feel envy a bit.
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00:49 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> What does that mean?
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> P. S. I know you so not gonna like my answers, I wish I didn't start it with the article. But I am allowed to speak my mind, I live in a free country after all.
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УГ — унылое говно … sorry not so sorry, but it's true
Of course we both can speak our minds. As you can see, I didn' just call that article what it is, I tried to explain my point of view ^^

One of most serious problems with your media, their «experts» usually don't speak Russian, never been to Russia and don't have a clue about todays Russia.
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02:14 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> No, it is the truth. And your «patriots» give away that truth on this forum day in day out — the truth about your blunt poisonous disgusting propaganda. The «supremacy» of your regime (it is in quotes because there is none — apart from on your telly) is primarily about Putin «throwing his weight around» with the West — challenging the States, etc (supposedly). It is funny.
quoted1
You should differ propaganda and memes from real politic. Trump #####ing to Putin is all over US media, but it has nothing to do with reality.
Same goes to Russia vs West. Putin isn't trying to confront the West, on the contrary the West is trying to present Russia as a great danger/enemy. Putin is trying to return to business as usual relations with EU and US. I thought that was rather obvious.
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02:22 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> It would be good if he did corner himself into a trap of some sort.
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Your propaganda lied about it for so long nobody believes it now.
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09:26 01.08.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> It is true. Professional coaches are also very often behave like that in Russia.
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> On the other hand if Alina was Canadian or American citizen, she could never become olympic champion, because only upper middle class and rich people in these countries can afford good coaches and other stuff you need if you take it seriously. In Russia if you are successful, you can train for free.
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I don't know how it works in figure skating in particular, but I know how it works in the West in general — in the UK for instance. In my daughter's ballet school there are kids who are from working class families and whose education is heavily subsidized by charity funds, the state etc. In football for instance — most of them are working class lads — take former famous football stars like Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, etc. — most grew up on council estates in poor families. Of course for those with money everything is easier, it goes without saying - but there are a lot more opportunities in the West for poorer kids than there are in Russia. Because the West is a less corrupt place — for starters. And there is constant pressure by the media and various rights organisations to give equal opportunities to children. So if your Alina was a Canadian or American — she would have done just as well if not better. Certainly with less abusive attitude by the coaches — that I can guarantee. Little kids are vulnerable, they don't have emotional maturity to cope with a lot of things that such environments can throw at them and can get easily damaged — psychologically and mentally. It is not a visible damage, but it can ruin one's life in the future. I am glad that here people take that into account much more than they do in places like Russia or China.

The approaches are very different to children's upbringing here in general. People are very liberal with parenting. A lot of the times in state schools where the approach to a child's education can not be as individual as in a private school cause class sizes are bigger and the adult to child ratio is not as high, in the beginning the Chinese kids do better than the English — that's just an example — a phenomenon that was widely discussed here at one point. Because of the phenomenon called «tiger mothering"which is what they have in China. This is when the parents put a lot of pressure on their kids to succeed. in England parents are very liberal and let their kids do their own thing a lot more. In the beginning — the English kids do worse, but then they catch up. But as a result of a more liberal approach — they grow up to be more well rounded individuals — kinder, more confident, with less hang ups and problems. And they learn to take responsibility for themselves. It is a long subject.
In my daughter's ballet school the kids start at a very young age — they are babies really 2.5 years old. Toddlers. But during the first few years the teachers try to make it as much fun as possible for the kids, they try to get the kids just to enjoy ballet. Enjoyment is number one, no one pushes anyone to do anything. It is all very gradual. By the time they turn seven — those who don't enjoy it — they drop out — parents are encouraged not to push their children into anything that the kids don't want to do themselves. But those who genuinely enjoy it — that enjoyment and love for what they do lasts them for many years to come. And that is a much better approach than being pushed into things.

I got to go now, will answer the rests of your posts later. Have a nice day)
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10:31 01.08.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> So if your Alina was a Canadian or American — she would have done just as well if not better. Certainly with less abusive attitude by the coaches — that I can guarantee.
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Sorry, but it is well known fact that figure skating is very expensive in the USA and Canada and nobody will cover your costs. That's why Canada has only 2 good senior skaters and 1 good junior skater among ladies (Russia has dozens). There is no way Alina could succeed there (her parents are from lower middle class).
And just for example, if you want to medal in juniors, you need to get smth close to 200 points in Russia. Canadian junior champion got smth close to 155 points. FYI Medvedeva lost to Alina by 1.37 points at Olympics, 5-6 points difference is considered a solid lead, 10-15 points difference means skaters are in different league.

And one more thing, some US top coaches are of Soviet origin (like Arutyunyan), their approach is pretty much the same we have here in Russia. But Arutyunyan is one of the most successful coaches in the USA despite his attitude and all the differences in mentality.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I got to go now, will answer the rests of your posts later. Have a nice day)
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Have a nice day too, I'll be busy till late evening
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20:39 01.08.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> see it from the different side. I never cared about majorities or minorities. I never really cared about how influential my group is
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You didn't need to, you attached yourself to the group which was/is part of that majority — but even worse — pure Kremlebots and ORDLO but with a dash of nasty trolling.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I'm clever enough to play hostile administration if I want to (for example see my event with Israeli flags and avatars that caused admins to change rules about flags).
quoted1

Oh dear. My darling, as much as you might be the cleverest person that has ever graced the Earth (and that is one big «might be»), the conversations and threads about people posting under their own flags had been going on here way before your avatar/flag trick came up. The reason that the Boss didn't do it before was because people were worried about the Russian opposition as the censorship in your country is rife — people are being persecuted for opinions which happen to be critical of the authorities. By the way — what were the goals of your insistence on it — what did you wanna prove and to whom? All the forum Ukrainians remained with the Ukrainian flags, the emigrants with the flags of their own countries. Members of your low level group then decided to stoop so low — as to write lies about people like Sybil for instance — that she is supposedly not from Canada, etc. Trashy type of trolling, don't you find?
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> left this forum mainly becuase of two reasons — I was disgusted with its administration and I was bored, that's it.
quoted1

If you say so. I understand you were disgusted with the Administration cause it decided not to pander to the Kremlebot majority as much as before. Boredom is also understandable, any forum gets boring sometimes.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> P.S. About Sivilla, Fly and etc. I've already explained you my point of view about trolling.
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Posting pictures of an old ugly fat woman as an image of Sybil (a young pretty successful kind woman who never insulted you in any way, just dared to have a different opinion) or lying about where she lives and posts from — yeah, some trolling. It was disgusting mate, come on. Even by the standards of this particular forum.
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Wow — what a dramatic change of tune. I take it as an admission that you made a massive error of judgement in the way you used to behave on this forum before — doing trashy trolling and insulting people who did nothing of the kind to you and whom you do not know -only because they happen to have a different opinion. Well — better late than never. You have my permission to drop this subject now.

Sorry, but you were asking for it. Besides, it is good to clear the air.
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