Katie Hopkins is far right of course, but not as far right as Tommy Robinson or Nick Griffin, which is BNP (British National Party) — these guys are proper Nazis. This is not UKIP, this is much further right. They are dreaming of kicking anyone out of the country who is not English going back to the fifth generation of ancestry. Imagine that. My husband would survive their rule, I wouldn't — just as an example. My kids would be orphans. I am kidding of course, they have no chance of getting into power and don't get elected into any power structures — on any level.
Oh, man — it is getting from bad to worse. The idiots in Brussels didn't even manage to translate May's White Paper on the Chequers Brexit deal properly from English into the European languages, let alone make sense of it. The acceptance of May's deal by Brussels was a very far fetched proposition from the very beginning. So Booker was right when he was saying they would look at May's paper and tell her where to stick it. It is disastrous.
Terrible translations of Brexit White Paper make Britain a laughing stock in Brussels JAMES CRISP BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT Follow
British officials botched the translation of Theresa May’s discredited White Paper into European languages, part of a UK strategy to win concessions from Brussels, and failed to translate the document into Irish, despite being locked in fraught Brexit talks over Ireland’s border.
The paper’s executive summary, which Britain hopes to use to help solve the vexed border issue, has been translated, poorly, into 22 languages. The full 100-page document has only been translated into one other language, Welsh, which, unlike Irish, is not an official EU language.
The comments are quite charged (a la Politforums.net), in thousands already and keep coming thick and fast:
John Smith 19 Jul 2018 7:03PM We in Europe who delight in the multiplicité of languages, dialectes, and cultures. The brits scraping by with bigmac speak dont even know their on langage.
Flag Hercules Thynne 19 Jul 2018 7:03PM It is something of a shame that the comments in this section betray the worst possible qualities of Brexiters (in comparison with the measured comments in the article)
But there again -- perhaps its is not a shame and the qualities displayed are those which have motivated Brexit from the beginning -- racism, arrogance, ignorance bad manners and stupidity.
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 7:02PM What did the GOVs White Paper say to some white toilet paper?
Wish I was as flush as you
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 7:02PM Looking forward to rejoining the English speaking nations where we won’t have to worry about any of this nonsense….
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 7:03PM @AJR LONDON
Rejoining? In what way are we «rejoining» the English speaking nations?
Flag edward austin 19 Jul 2018 7:00PM Did the Government clear it with the Imams first?
Cultural sensitivities and all that.
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 7:00PM Whats the similarity between the White Paper & white paper found in a toilet?
They both fill the EUs black hole
OOhhhh he he
Flag Geoff Winn 19 Jul 2018 6:59PM This looks very like deliberate fifth column work, sack all those responsible, how ever elevated their position.
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:58PM Yay. 8pm. Time for my repas!
Paul Cooke 19 Jul 2018 6:58PM Who cares.
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:58PM Translate it to Arabic — the European continents second language
Flag Truth Hurts 19 Jul 2018 6:59PM @AJR LONDON
Why should the document be in West Midlandian?
Flag Barry Brewster 19 Jul 2018 6:57PM All the media is in a frenzy to find fault on all sides about brexit. Give it a rest, it is becoming even more confusing.
Flag Steve Wey 19 Jul 2018 6:58PM @Barry Brewster
but on behalf of the Barclay boys, thankyou for playing their clickbait game.
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 6:56PM Im being blocked from posting white toilet paper jokes
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:59PM @Jamie Black
The only toilet paper joke I know is this:
Q. What is the difference between a toilet roll and the starship Enterprise?
.A: There is NO difference. They both wipe out Klingons.
Flag Big Bill 19 Jul 2018 6:55PM Google’s Revenge. Not to worry even in English the paper is rubbish, we had to laugh at the idea that Mre May et al, thought they’d get away with it.
Flag edward austin 19 Jul 2018 6:58PM @Orson Wedgwood Had to laugh once….
German Army Officer speaking English to British Major: You British think you know everything…. ha! We Germans know f---- all….
Flag Stephen Price 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM That's OK, laugh away. Once we are out of this farce there will be no need to translate our White Papers to anyone. The relief!
Flag Bilbo Benbow 19 Jul 2018 6:55PM @Stephen Price The translation was our idea, not the EUs
Flag Big Bill 19 Jul 2018 6:57PM Bilbo Benbow. Shows what you, (don't,) know.
All documents have to be translated, even into
Irish, where everyone speaks English.
Flag Truth Hurts 19 Jul 2018 6:57PM @Big Bill
It's an official language.
Why were they bothered to do it in Welsh?
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:58PM @Truth Hurts
Because we translate all government material into Welsh.
Flag Big Bill 19 Jul 2018 7:02PM Truth Hurts. Yes. But Benbow, thinks it’s a U.K. idea.
Flag Steve Wey 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM Got any real news DT or are the Barclay boys pressing for more clickbait?
Flag Karl Roberts 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM They used google translate unlike the EU who waste money like water.
Flag Truth Hurts 19 Jul 2018 6:55PM @Karl Roberts
Riiiiiight. No money are wasted in the UK. Ever.
There never was and never will be corruption in the UK.
Farts in the UK smell like English roses.
Anything else to add?
Flag Bilbo Benbow 19 Jul 2018 6:56PM @Karl Roberts They might have been better off if they'd used Google Translate!
Flag brendan geran 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM Sorry, but with such an important issue at hand, this is a complete non story, waste of ink.
Flag Bilbo Benbow 19 Jul 2018 6:56PM @brendan geran Do you have your web pages printed then?
Flag brendan geran 19 Jul 2018 7:02PM @Bilbo Benbow @brendan geran Yes, and then my butler irons them.
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM I hope Drunker reads these comments since he probably has nothing else to do.
But then again, it’s probably best to catch him before lunch….
Flag Global Chellyabinsk 19 Jul 2018 6:53PM John Bond (I don't want to be rude but….) in 10 or 15 years time when you have kids, will you repeatedly night after night drone on in a monotone voice & advise your children of the same messages ----
how useless they are, that they are not special, that they must do as they are told by someone that hates them, always appease its safer, just give up & (your favourite) *trying is the first step to failure*.
Flag Jason Rhodes 19 Jul 2018 6:52PM I genuinely couldn’t give a damn about the quality of the translation.
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 6:53PM @Jason Rhodes
Or the toilet paper
Flag Peter Graham 19 Jul 2018 6:51PM Not even sure why Britain had to do the translating. If the EU want documents translated then they have an entire squad of translators on hand to do that for them, part paid by Britain who for now are still members.
This entire article seems to have been written to embarrass the PM (who needs no help guys) by making it look like the government’s fault. So look like the DT has signed up fully to team BoJo.
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:53PM @Peter Graham
Another ignoramus. The EU didn't want the documents translated. The UK government took the decision itself in the hope of appealing directly to the heads of the EU 27.
Flag Bilbo Benbow 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM @Peter Graham I think you'll find it was the UK govt that decided to translate into all relevant languages in an effort to get the 27 on board. Clearly, this has worked in a manner typical of this incompetent govt, i.e. not at all.
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:54PM @Bilbo Benbow @Peter Graham
They're so ******* thick it's unreal.
They just lap it up like a dog returning to its own vomit.
Flag John Tease 19 Jul 2018 6:51PM WTF! idiots.
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 6:51PM Whats the difference between a White Paper issues by the Government and white paper found in a public toilet?
Toilet paper has its uses…
any more? -(:
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 6:52PM GOV white paper get recycled far more
Flag Mick Gould 19 Jul 2018 6:49PM Brexit has made us a laughing stock. Selling our utilities to foreign governments to subsidise their own utilities has made us a laughing stock. Boris Johnson as foreign secretary has made us a laughing stock. Allowing our newspapers to be owned by tax-exiled weirdos has made us a laughing stock. etc
Flag craig jones 19 Jul 2018 6:50PM ….and you of course are not a laughing stock…
Flag Mick Gould 19 Jul 2018 6:52PM @craig jones
No, because I am not a Brexiter/ Member of Parliament/ tax-exiled newspaper owner.
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 6:51PM @Mick Gould
The bit I love best is our Royal car-makers Rolls-Royce & Bentley being owned by — the Germans!
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:49PM there is a genre here on the lines of «your moms so fat….»
«Your Brexit will be so bad your house will implode»
Flag Mark Ayre 19 Jul 2018 6:48PM The national nervous breakdown continues. The principle mistake the brexiteers make, as evidenced by their perpetual references to ww2, is that they are the same type of people as the greatest generation. Wrong! They are actually the opposite: complacent, arrogant and lazy. And now the chickens are coming home to roost.
Slow hand-clap brexiteers. Your self-regard has smashed this country; may history judge you harshly.
Flag craig jones 19 Jul 2018 6:49PM Bad drugs, Mark.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:52PM @Mark Ayre got property in Europe?
worried about its value?
-pretend to be a highly sophisticated super-intelligent remainer
Flag Bilbo Benbow 19 Jul 2018 6:48PM Yeah, right. Only the terrible translations that are making the UK a laughing stock…
Flag Mick Gould 19 Jul 2018 6:50PM @Bilbo Benbow
That's right. The Brexiters' brilliance is just lost in translation
Flag Bill Johnson 19 Jul 2018 6:47PM Interesting. It appears criticising the article for being unprofessional and spreading EU propaganda isn't allowed.
David Hattersley 19 Jul 2018 6:47PM Everyone in the world either speaks English or aspires to speak English. It is the language of the world. German is a non starter. French is the same save some dodgy outposts in Africa. English spans the globe. Arguably Global Britain.
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 6:49PM @David Hattersley
Anyway, what are you going to sell on the back of that? TEFL teachers?
Flag Mark Desade 19 Jul 2018 7:04PM @John Bond @David Hattersley I think the language issue is underrated. Once the UK leaves, I anticipate language gradually becoming an issue. After all, the EU will not wish to speak the language of a state that has left the fold. Nowadays, the French and Germans speak English for business but the EU is primarily a political rather than a trading organisation (as can be seen by the Irish border question). Another big problem with English is that it is unsuited for legal discussions because its terminology reflects common law and not the common European civil law heritage.
Exactly how this language issue would play out is unknown, but I wonder how long it will be before the French and Spanish start holding presentations in French or Spanish as a matter of course? The Germans would not stand for that and would do the same. Considering Germany's economic power, I would expect German to become far more popular than it is today, but not a European language. My bet is on French, which is better suited for diplomacy than German but shares the same legal terminology.
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 6:47PM Whats the difference between a White Paper issues by the Government and white paper found in a public toilet?
Toilet paper has its uses…
any more? -(:
Flag Jamie Black 19 Jul 2018 6:48PM A Government White Paper gets recycled much more
Flag Colin Holmes 19 Jul 2018 6:46PM How about instead of talking about the commitments to the EU we restarted the conversation about war reparations from Germany. These ungrateful people who have a lot to thank the USA, for now, regard that nation in a dim light yet they saved this blighted nation from the worst effects of the last war. The whole process like everything else is driven by this country despite what comments other countries have made. If we start talking about reparations again we might be able to change their tune and remind them who helped them in time of need. Life isn't so simple as good deeds might expect.
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 6:49PM @Colin Holmes
Let's talk about colonial reparations from the UK.
Flag Mark Desade 19 Jul 2018 6:45PM Translations in Berlaymont are by no means sophisticated. At one public consultation I attended, a Spanish Commissioner could barely speak English and the title of her presentation meant the opposite of what she intended. Also, I know that translators in the EU are certainly not always sophisticated but I'll stop there.
Of course, it makes a bad impression, but language education in Britain has been declining for years and this development was accelerated under Blair. However, when the Brits do try to learn languages I find that they are really rather good at it.
Interestingly, there is a new translation programme available deepL.com which is really rather good. I am now required to use it in my company (on the reasoning that I can do more for the same pay). I have to do a 1:1 comparison after, which I hate doing but it does speed up the process considerably. It's Made in Germany.
Flag edward austin 19 Jul 2018 6:48PM @Mark Desade I had meetings in Brussels back in the late 90's as a Junior Management Consultant (C&L/PwC) and they REFUSED to speak English during our meetings even though they were more than capable. I was left looking utterly foolish for hours on end as they discussed issues amongst themselves thick as bloody thieves. Told my boss… his response… f--- them.
Flag Mark Desade 19 Jul 2018 6:50PM @edward austin @Mark Desade I went for an interview at GCE Marconi in the late 90s and was told the same thing. Germans understood English perfectly but openly discussed issues amongst themselves at negotiations in German, knowing the Brits couldn't understand. He couldn't bear the humiliation and it also affected the balance of power at the negotiation.
Flag shani EDWARDS 19 Jul 2018 6:45PM On the day of Brexit I hope the BBC senior management and their inept News at Ten reporters realise they were on the losing side. No actually I think they're too thick and corrupt to even notice.
Flag Will great 19 Jul 2018 6:45PM As Gaeilge
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:45PM on the day of brexit your shoes will all run away on their own
Flag Ambrose Rookwood 19 Jul 2018 6:46PM @Robert Matthews The reason for that is that shoes have a sole.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:44PM On the day of Brexit Junkers won't be drunk and if he was somebody could sack him.
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:44PM Here’s the only two foreign phrases we need:
If I misspelled those, then I do not apologise
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:45PM @AJR LONDON
Revelling in one's ignorance is not a good look.
Flag Ilse Cabus 19 Jul 2018 6:46PM No apology needed but your German has three mistakes in two words.
Flag Ilse Cabus 19 Jul 2018 6:48PM Correction: only two. I do apologise.
Flag jack thelad 19 Jul 2018 6:44PM isn't English the official language in Europe and in many negotiations across the world?
Flag Paul Mangnall 19 Jul 2018 6:41PM It does seem that another gullible journalist has taken EU propaganda at face value.
Flag Alan Tough 19 Jul 2018 6:41PM Why translate it? English is still the official language of the EU, its Lingua Franca.
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:41PM The hell it is!
Flag John Price 19 Jul 2018 6:43PM Everyone speaks English. I've never seen people from two different countries with different languages speak anything other than English to each other.
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:47PM Very true and thanks to the British, American, Canadian, and NZ servicemen who laid down their lives to defeat German and Italian fascism and French indifference to it.
And I mean that sincerely and respectfully
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:46PM @AJR LONDON
Do you even know what 'lingua franca' means? lol.
Flag craig jones 19 Jul 2018 6:46PM Londy — perhaps you should do a bit of research before shooting from the hip….
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:40PM The White Paper should have been published in English only.
If these Johnny Foreigners haven't learnt to speak and read English fluently, they shouldn't be in government.
English is the greatest language in the world, our gift to Johnny Foreigners when they want to travel aound the globe.
Flag Ilse Cabus 19 Jul 2018 6:42PM @Charles Lee That’s the spirit! Open Britain, the world is your oyster. Let the trade deals come!
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:44PM @Ilse Cabus
What's your language, Ilse Cabus?
My guess is that the Chinese aren't teaching their children to speak it.
Flag Ambrose Rookwood 19 Jul 2018 6:43PM @Charles Lee Also pretty useful when surfing the net. I mean what is the Hungarian equivalent of Milf.
Flag john heaps 19 Jul 2018 6:39PM Most of us here think it's garbage too, especially the English version!
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:39PM On the day of Brexit your Kitchen Towel will stop absorbing water
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:41PM @Robert Matthews
Even the nest-embossed ones?
Flag Stephen Follows 19 Jul 2018 6:39PM '"un Brexit verteux" which suggests that Brexit is a moral good.'
Well, isn't it?
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:38PM
On the day of Brexit Tony Newman's jokes might be funny.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:37PM On the day of Brexit your kitchen table's legs will fall off.
Flag Ambrose Rookwood 19 Jul 2018 6:41PM @Robert Matthews They promised a comet falling on the UK and a plague of frogs on Brexit day. Are you now saying they are moving the goal posts?
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:36PM «Brussels is home to the world’s most sophisticated translation centres, regularly transforming swathes of dense, legal regulation into all 24 official languages of the EU.»
Without the EU there would be no point to Brussels, the dullest capital city in the world. It would become a ghost town.
No wonder they fight so hard to keep the Ricketty Dog and Pony Show on the road.
Flag John Ironside 19 Jul 2018 6:38PM @Charles Lee Where do you live again?
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:42PM @John Ironside @Charles Lee
God's own county of Sussex.
Flag Tunnel Rat 19 Jul 2018 6:40PM @Charles Lee They do a good line in corrupt Police, terrorists and underage naughtiness.
Flag Charles Lee 19 Jul 2018 6:43PM @Tunnel Rat @Charles Lee
Wasn't it the paedophile capital of the world at one point?
Flag David Hattersley 19 Jul 2018 6:40PM Well said Charles. The faster we get out of this crap house the better.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:36PM On the day of Brexit your sofa will become less comfortable and you will forget to go to lunch.
Flag Ilse Cabus 19 Jul 2018 6:38PM On the day after Brexit there will be
no more lunch to be had.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:42PM on the day of brexit Ilse Cabus wont be able to expense his lunch to uk tax payers
Flag Chris Hulme 19 Jul 2018 6:35PM Sorry!
Flag BB BB 19 Jul 2018 6:34PM Global Britain at her very best!
Flag Nicholas Jackson 19 Jul 2018 6:36PM @BB BB Is another red herring.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:34PM On the day of Brexit your Pez sweet dispenser will explode
Flag Tony Newman 19 Jul 2018 6:35PM @Robert Matthews Nurse! He's forgotten to take his meds again. Nurse!
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:33PM On the day of Brexit you won't be able to use your Bus.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:32PM On the day of Brexit all airplanes will fly around with no where to land.
Flag John Price 19 Jul 2018 6:31PM What a bloody disaster! It's enough to give a very old dog terminal diarrhoea!
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:30PM on the day of Brexit your Reader's Digest motoring atlas will spontaneously combust.
Flag Ian Paul 19 Jul 2018 6:30PM The thread and the way it is presented shows more than anything else why this whole process is so unmovably divisive and utterly toxic. There is no possibility of a compromise and soon it could tear this country apart, regardless of the arguments of both sides.
For the second time in my lifetime a referendum has been used by the Conservatives with chaos the only winner. The reason we have a parliamentary system is because referendums are always so divisive. Ultimately we need our elected representatives to be leaders and not managers. The get paid to take the risks and pay the price if they are wrong, atleast thats how it should work?
Whether we go or stay I fear that the same outcome.
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:31PM @Ian Paul
Which was the first?
Flag Ian Paul 19 Jul 2018 6:32PM @Ian Pe @Ian Paul Ted Heaths ill advised foray into folly and defeat
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:39PM @Ian Paul
Ted Heath or the Conservative government of the time never held any referendums.
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:32PM @Ian Paul
I do agree that the UK is finished. What happens to England, who knows.
Flag Richard Sim 19 Jul 2018 6:29PM British officials botched the translation of Theresa May’s discredited White Paper into European languages, part of a UK strategy to win concessions from Brussels, and failed to translate the document into Irish, despite being locked in fraught Brexit talks over Ireland’s border.
No doubt Olly Robbins team, this country is led by bufoons!
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:34PM @Richard Sim
Don't worry. Raab to the rescue!
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:29PM On the day of Brexit you won't be able to taste anything.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:28PM On the day of Brexit your Mom will get so fat
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:28PM On the day of Brexit your car won't start.
Flag Jeff Black 19 Jul 2018 6:29PM Let’s hope not as my car is French and I won’t be able to afford the import costs.
Flag Robert Matthews 19 Jul 2018 6:27PM On the day of Brexit your fridge light won't work.
Flag Dan Biggins 19 Jul 2018 6:27PM «The only good Remoaner is a dead Remoaner»
John Wayne 1964
Flag John Ironside 19 Jul 2018 6:35PM @Dan Biggins Oh, Macho Man Dan is here again, all manly and tough. What a man.
Flag Dan Biggins 19 Jul 2018 7:04PM @John Ironside @Dan Biggins
Ironside is back in his wheelchair. Trolling/wheeling about the room.
Flag JJ Brookes 19 Jul 2018 6:26PM Brexit….the gift that keep on giving……for everyone who hates the UK.
AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:26PM Have the Frogs been told they’re going to have to learn Fritz yet?
I know the Fritz in the East resented having to learn Ruski after 1945…
Luckily it’s not a problem we have here
Flag JJ Brookes 19 Jul 2018 6:27PM @AJR LONDON
Casual racism at its finest.
Flag JJ Brookes 19 Jul 2018 6:28PM @AJR LONDON
UKIPer? What a surprise.
Flag AJR LONDON 19 Jul 2018 6:28PM Actually I like the Europeans and their nations, just not the EU
Does that make sense to you?
Flag JJ Brookes 19 Jul 2018 6:30PM @AJR LONDON
Sorry I don't engage with racists.
Flag David Hattersley 19 Jul 2018 6:30PM AJR — quite right mate.
Flag JJ Brookes 19 Jul 2018 6:32PM @David Hattersley
Good old scum stick together.
Flag Patricia Clausen-Thue 19 Jul 2018 6:51PM @JJ Brookes @AJR LONDON why do people constantly confuse nationality with race? The French are the same race as we are. So are the Russians, for the most part.
I loathe the EU too, but not the European public.
Flag Feral Meryl 19 Jul 2018 6:49PM @AJR LONDON
Also sprache Brexiter.
Flag James Lucian 19 Jul 2018 6:23PM I wonder if her plan all along was to make the deal so bad, so much akin to treason that people would demand a no deal WTO Brexit?
No. I'm only joking, she is just criminally inept like everyone who works for the state.
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:22PM We care about the Irish border because we care about the people, the same cannot be said of the EU.
Flag Fraser Wood 19 Jul 2018 6:22PM «Britain will get the Brexit it deserves»
Flag John Burwood 19 Jul 2018 6:27PM @Fraser Wood
Sometimes you just get what you get, and what you 'deserve' has nothing to do with it.
Flag Dan Biggins 19 Jul 2018 6:21PM «Remainers have a tendency towards deceit and homosexuality».
Sigmund Freud 1928.
Flag Vega Bencomo Enrique 19 Jul 2018 6:23PM @Dan Biggins Elton John, Freddy Mercury and George Michael are remainers
Flag Dan Biggins 19 Jul 2018 6:23PM @Vega Bencomo Enrique @Dan Biggins
Aren't a couple of them dead?
Flag Vega Bencomo Enrique 19 Jul 2018 6:23PM @Dan Biggins @Vega Bencomo Enrique their spirit remain
Flag Peter May 19 Jul 2018 6:23PM Dear Dan. Hopeyou are not implying the two things are mutually combined?
Flag Tim Waterhouse 19 Jul 2018 6:21PM The good news is that both the EU and UK are now seriously working on a no deal.
That makes a disorderly no deal much less likely as each can make contingency arrangements.
This is good news and makes it more likely the No deal option happens.
Flag Global Chellyabinsk 19 Jul 2018 6:24PM @Tim Waterhouse
However, that twerp Lord Adonis (unelected) wants a final say on anything that doesn't float his boat ---- it's the will of the self important 5% yknow
Flag Terry Hudson 19 Jul 2018 6:32PM @Tim Waterhouse
A mutual 'no deal' is a deal anyway.
Flag quiaura penseca 19 Jul 2018 6:35PM @Tim Waterhouse I must say, as someone who recognises that the European Project that seeks to combine fractious little nations to gain leverage in a big boys' world and remove the capacity of such states to go to war is the best hope for mankind, that I agree with you.
The loss of UK funds to the budget gives the opportunity to radically transform the budget so as to punish Poland and Hungary for their illiberal behaviour whilst providing funds for Greece and Italy to cope with migration.
In addition, as the UK has a totally undeserved reputation (amazingly) as being a state with a high degree of competency then the chaos being visited upon it by rank stupidity and delusion will concentrate other minds. Something that is especially important as the USA is demonstrating just how idiotic it too can be.
Flag Truth hurts 19 Jul 2018 6:21PM Cant wait to get all these free trade deals that are drafted and agreed in principle finally ratified once we leave, so we can rule the world again! Yay!
What? we havent got anything drafted and agreed in principle? Not even after two years?! Oh
Perhaps some brexiteers can give good reasons for this idiocy?
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 6:24PM @Truth hurts
We haven't got anything much to sell.
Less export value of goods per annum than Italy or even the Netherlands!
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:30PM @John Bond
What about export of services, more than anyone else.
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 6:34PM @Ian Pe
Ah. Services aren't part of trade deals.
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:38PM @John Bond
You made no mention of trade deals, and now you attempt to introduce a straw man to justify your put down of the UK.
Flag John Bond 19 Jul 2018 6:47PM @Ian Pe
I talked about selling goods not being the UK's forte.
That junks the Brexit fantasy of striking great new bilateral deals after Brexit, because those deals won't include services.
If you don't understand that you shouldn't be commenting
Flag Ian Pe 19 Jul 2018 6:51PM @John Bond
And still you continue.
If I haven't understood, then perhaps it is because you didn't say what you meant. Because something is in your mind, it doesn't mean everybody else knows about it.
Flag L Gilet 19 Jul 2018 6:21PM Can anyone please tell me why Raab has taken the white paper to the EU when it is in contention by the HOC and the electorate?
Flag Truth hurts 19 Jul 2018 6:22PM @L Gilet I dont remember the electorate being given a referendum on it. Have I missed something?
Flag shrek shrek 19 Jul 2018 6:20PM Kindergarten Government, with kinder May as the PM along with naughty infants in the ministry and party like Boris
Flag JJ Brookes 19 Jul 2018 6:20PM We've been a laughing stock since the referendum
Flag Vega Bencomo Enrique 19 Jul 2018 6:20PM don´t use Google translator after Brussels´4+billions euro fine
Flag NICHOLAS SIBLEY 19 Jul 2018 6:20PM Whoever authorised the translation into Welsh should have the cost deducted from his/her salary.
Flag Nick Angel 19 Jul 2018 6:19PM Good grief a lot of hysteria from Leavers in here who can’t accept they were sold a fantasy.
Some need to go on an anger management course or perhaps they should address their irritation to those who promised them the moon on a stick.
The EU from day one has had a clear plan and managed to get 27 countries to agree on guidelines and the useless UK government can’t even get its own cabinet to agree on the way forward.
> British officials botched the translation of Theresa May’s discredited White Paper into European languages, part of a UK strategy to win concessions from Brussels, and failed to translate the document into Irish, despite being locked in fraught Brexit talks over Ireland’s border. quoted1
Is there any possibility that it will be a border between England and Northern Ireland? I suppose, If May somehow allows she is done.
Sad news, famous figure skater from Kazakhstan Denis Ten (age 25) was murdered yesterday in Astana. The robbers wanted to steal mirrors from his Lexus and stabbed him with a knife when he tried to protect his property https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/1...
What a horrendous news. Those who did the robbing obviously knew full well who the guy was — and they still stabbed him — I mean they could have restrained him in one way or another, could have knocked him unconscious, etc (I know sounds horrible but still better than killing him by stabbing). What a bunch of scum bags, low lives in other words. The guy should have just let them have whatever they wanted without showing any resistance, but that is of course easier said than done — one never knows how one would behave when faced with such an extremely stressful situation. My mother in law faced something similar a while ago- she was wearing a very heavy expensive pendant on her neck and a guy chased her down the alleyway trying to yank it off her neck, she tried to resist and screamed and he nearly strangled her. That was over 20 years ago now. My husband always says to me- if anyone tries to rob you — let them have whatever they want, don’t resist — everything is replaceable apart from your life.
>> They are dreaming of kicking anyone out of the country who is not English going back to the fifth generation of ancestry. Imagine that. quoted2
>sound like they are nutters > Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> they have no chance of getting into power and don't get elected into any power structures — on any level quoted2
>glad to hear it, only reasonable and sane people should get elected, they can be cynical busters, but they should be sane at least > quoted1
They are extremists — the extreme far right, that’s who the article was about (worrying about the surge of the Far Right) not people like Katie Hopkins, who is a bit of a vatnik — but not an extremist — just a devoted nationalist right winger., but still part of the mainstream. Nazis are the extreme end of the Far Right (we have them here too), Communists — the extreme end of the Far Left. That is why to Churchill and the English - both Stalin and Hitler were as bad as each other — not because of some «Russophobia».
>> They are dreaming of kicking anyone out of the country who is not English going back to the fifth generation of ancestry. Imagine that. quoted2
>sound like they are nutters
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> they have no chance of getting into power and don't get elected into any power structures — on any level quoted2
>glad to hear it, only reasonable and sane people should get elected, they can be cynical busters, but they should be sane at least > > Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> British officials botched the translation of Theresa May’s discredited White Paper into European languages, part of a UK strategy to win concessions from Brussels, and failed to translate the document into Irish, despite being locked in fraught Brexit talks over Ireland’s border. quoted2
>Is there any possibility that it will be a border between England and Northern Ireland? I suppose, If May somehow allows she is done. quoted1
As for the Irish border — it’s not up to May. Northern Ireland is very pro UK, most are not Catholics but of the Church of England faith. Like Maggie Thatcher used to say «Northern Ireland is as British as Finchley» (Finchley is a very typical very English middle classy area of London). May is governing in coalition with DUP (Northern Irish Unionists) and they are very fierce on the issue of staying part of the UK and not having a hard border with the UK. On the other hand, there is the Belfast peace process agreement, whereby there is currently no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Whilst we were both EU members that didn’t matter and the Republic of Ireland is not part of the Shenghen zone either — just like the UK. Now we are getting out of the EU and the Republic of Ireland will remain in the EU. By the way — UK no deal with the EU departure would hit the Irish economy the hardest, as most of their trade is with the UK and not the EU. The issues are resolvable, but the EU just try to use it as another form of pressure to try and keep the UK in the EU — you gotta understand that UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is currrently almost as big as that of Germany (it is £ 12 billion a year, Germany’s — £14 billion, next goes France but they only contribute £5 billion net). They (the EU) hate us but they love our money and try to cling on to us as much as possible. Drunker (nickname for Junker) has a lot of expensive plans — like Euroarmy and that, who is gonna fund those plans? He said from the very beginning the UK would leave «through his dead body». But we will get there — May or no May. It’s a long subject, gtg now — have a nice day.
> The guy should have just let them have whatever they wanted without showing any resistance quoted1
This kind of thieves who steal mirrors from cars usually aren't that aggressive (at least in Russia). Probably he thought they will run away after seeing him. I've never been in this situation, I'm not sure how I will react. I don't have arms. So it depends on how many robbers will try to rob me. If there are many people with knives I'll try to ran away. If only one, I think I'll try to run or resist. If he has a gun I won't resist.
I reckon we will crash out of the EU without any deal. WTO rules and that's that. I also think that it will be them who will regret it in the end, not us (am I being a vatnik here? Maybe). This country went through much worse with the EU in the 1990s, but came out of it the other end (idiom). I just wish the Conservatives stopped the in fighting and agreed amongst each other on the core strategy. Their strategy at the moment is leading us to the hardest possible Brexit. Boris didn't need to resign over May's proposals it now turns out, as Brussels are rejecting them anyway. May insists that the Chequers deal is her final offer, but knowing how little guts she has and how dithering she has been throughout the process and how many unnecessary U turns and compromises she has already been prepared to take — can anyone in Brussels, the UK or indeed elsewhere — take that woman seriously? I doubt it.
In light of how the EU has been bullying Britain, I am actually happy that Mr Trump started a trade war with them. I have never wished the EU badly, I love Europe, but now I am probably turning into a British vatnik, I just can't help it.
Paul Bradshaw 20 Jul 2018 7:03PM
I see there are still quite a few «No Deal» enthusiasts. «No Deal» would be such a catastrophic blunder that everyone involved is keenly aware that there would very likely one day be a Chilcott style inquiry into how it happened and who was to blame. There would be mass Cabinet and Civil Service resignations, plunging financial markets, quite possibly the biggest economic crisis in UK history, and nobody would want their name attached to it in the history books. And yes, the EU 27 would suffer a degree of economic pain but would likely take action to mitigate it among the countries hardest hit, and the EU would undoubtedly get grim satisfaction from the fact that no other country for the next few generations would dare to follow the UK's example. Of course it's very likely that Parliament would not allow such a disaster to happen and would cobble together some Norway-style deal (perhaps billed as «temporary» but in practice indefinite), which would be great for the likes of BoJo and JRM who could grumble that «we should have done no deal» for the rest of their careers but without having to face up to the consequences. It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 7:03PM
Paul Bradshaw 20 Jul 2018 7:04PM
@It's time for Brexit OK you've convinced me. JUST LEAVE!!! WTO RULES! SO SIMPLE!!! END OF!!! Flag
Nicholas Heasman 20 Jul 2018 7:04PM
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 7:03PM
Nice to know that BarneyBear is in favour of a clean break and WTO rules. Flag
Tunnel Rat 20 Jul 2018 7:03PM
Message to Barnier, «Thrrrrrrpp! Goodbye. A WTO deal suits us just fine. If the Irish queen wants to close it's airspace it's Ryanair who will suffer. Flag
Andrew Barber 20 Jul 2018 7:01PM
I would put all my resources into preparing for a no deal. That is clearly what the EU are wanting, it has been obvious for some time.
However a no deal mean no money to them. see how they squeal then. Might be quite enjoyable to watch Flag
The Tempest 20 Jul 2018 7:01PM
The EU did not start this bulls shit. That was the Tory Party……and so far Tory HQ has done an amazing job at its purpose. Ruining the country. Flag
margaret parker 20 Jul 2018 7:00PM
may has single handeldly managed to united both remainers and brexiteers by offering the worst of all scenarios. some going theresa!
Fay Kendall 20 Jul 2018 7:02PM
Reminds me of the Malcolm Rifkind story. He claimed to be the only politician who had ever managed to unite Celtic and Rangers. «They booed me in unison» he saiid. Flag
The Tempest 20 Jul 2018 7:05PM
Wonderful analogy. Flag
Keila Cook 20 Jul 2018 7:00PM
LIAR May's remoaner chancellor Hammond is stopping us preparing for a no deal Brexit and remoaner May is accepting every single one of the demands coming from the EU bully boys. Kick both of them out before it's too late.
Jenny Rayter 20 Jul 2018 7:01PM
@Feral Meryl @Jenny Rayter No we haven't. The EU is self serving and corrupt. It will not tolerate dissent and free thinkers. You fit in well. Flag
Andrew Barber 20 Jul 2018 7:03PM
@Feral Meryl A bit embarrassing that comment. Dont worry nobody is laughing at you. (honest) Flag
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 6:58PM
LOL. Everything according to our former 'partners' and 'allies' is unworkable, including the Eurozone economy which will absolutely TANK after a clean brexit. Bring it on. Flag
Philip Di 20 Jul 2018 6:58PM
What do we want? No deal! When do we want it? Now! Flag
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 7:00PM
Well, not strictly now Philip, in Mar 2019 will be fine. ;) Flag
Tom Blais spammer20 Jul 2018 6:57PM
Even under WTO, Brexiters will have to desing this border. They better do it now. The EU will never accept any cherry picking.
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 7:00PM
Troops out of Estonia asap please. Flag
Jenny Rayter 20 Jul 2018 6:58PM
If I were PM I would be putting all my efforts and all the resources at my disposal in preparation for a no-deal scenario. The EU is just out to humiliate this country, it's obvious. Nothing will be good enough for Barnier and co.
It really is time to go. Flag
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 6:59PM
absolutely. Been obvious to most of us for 2 years Jenny. They didn't give us a good deal when we JOINED the EC, they were never going to give us one to LEAVE. The French are the most difficult and arrogant nation on the planet. Flag
Feral Meryl 20 Jul 2018 7:00PM
@Jenny Rayter You humiliated yourself.
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 6:58PM
Actually no, if Ireland want one they can put one up. Flag Tom Blais spammer20 Jul 2018 6:59PM
A country without borders? Flag
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 7:00PM
@Tom Blais yes, there are many. Flag
Ambrose Rookwood 20 Jul 2018 7:05PM
@It's time for Brexit @Tom Blais Yes Germany doesn't have any borders. It is open house. Well someone from Iran walked into their house today and stabbed 14 of their citizens. How long before the people of Germany decide that borders might be a good thing. Flag
Giles Rathborn 20 Jul 2018 6:57PM
I’m for a vote in leaving the WTO.
margaret parker 20 Jul 2018 6:56PM
dont wory michelle and the eu, may will just give in and let you have whatever you want! Flag
The Tempest 20 Jul 2018 7:03PM
She already has. Flag
Martin Selves 20 Jul 2018 6:56PM
message for quiaura …. some «feet» ago ….
Customs inspections do not happen at Felixstow, where 40% of our Imports arrive every year. How can that be possible quiaura? Huge Container ships unload hundreds of thousands of containers every year, without a Customs man or lady in sight. Nah you say …. but this is happening all over the WTO/Hi Tec World every single day.
Brendan Mullooly 20 Jul 2018 7:08PM
Customs inspections do happen at Felixstowe (please at least spell the name correctly). Non-EU shipments are approx 5% of the port volume based on TEU which need customs clearance. The other 95% is a mix of EU originated goods, or non-EU that has been landed and cleared at another EU port e. g, Rotterdam, Amsterdam or Hamburg. Don't want to piss on your parade with facts. But, hey ho… Flag
Steven Ward 20 Jul 2018 6:56PM
Even Barnier admits ECJ jurisdiction results if May's White Paper is accepted, even in its present form. Today he tweeted «What is very positive [in the UK white paper] is the guarantees to defend fundamental rights, and the role to be played by the ECJ as sole arbiter» That means vassal status. She must resign.
It's time for Brexit 20 Jul 2018 7:01PM
Martin Selves 20 Jul 2018 7:01PM
I agree Steven. Her Repercussion Message about to hit the street made me write the following message to my Tory MP ….
The Repercussion Leaflets are already being printed according to Robert Peston. Someone in Government is thinking well ahead of the curve. It is rumoured the distribution is around late August, early September. My Brexit Bias says it will get the nod of approval from Ollie Robbins, Merkel, Hammond, Soubry and Clarke. It is the next scare tactic, and again from HMG. It will be very like the last one from David Cameron, and sent to every home 3 years ago. You cannot make this stuff up. This cost the Country £6,000,000. I believe her promise to inform everyone about the repercussions is her next «stunt» and the next step to …. DELAY our departure from the EU if she can. It is possible to do this. Rachel, I think this Repercussion Letter is another «Gimmick». I remember the last one …… this one just got longer. The last one said WW3, everyone £2200 a year worse off etc, and this one will have some more elaborate cliff edges. Theresa May justs want to remind everyone why this is such a bad idea…. so lets forget it will be the subliminal message. What she must also Publish are the ADVANTAGES of leaving the EU as well. Yer right !!
Brenda Maxwell 20 Jul 2018 6:55PM
I've had enough of this mess. It's all because May wants to stay in the EU. We desperately need a new leader now. Don't wait for September. I appoint JRM for Prime Minister, Boris for The treasury. I think we should invite Nigel Fararge to be special advisor. Nobody knows the EU better. But for goodness sake GET IT DONE? Flag
The Tempest 20 Jul 2018 6:57PM
No it's not….it's because the whole debacle was never fully thought through……is a Tory disaster……and may ruin the Union.#BREXITMEANSNOEXIT Flag
Brenda Maxwell 20 Jul 2018 6:59PM
@ The Tempest Oh dear.
Tony Dexter 20 Jul 2018 6:58PM
@Brenda Maxwell Just give Farage a peerage and he can be a Minister........no? Flag
Steven Ward 20 Jul 2018 6:59PM
@Brenda Maxwell A leadership contest has to occur in the summer recess on the grounds May has lost her marbles and is destroying Brexit, the Party and the nation. Even Barnier has tweeted today that the white paper effectively confers continuing ECJ jurisdiction. Flag