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11:09 11.07.2018
Lol ice dance



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11:10 11.07.2018




the girl is like
mee too
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20:47 11.07.2018
Go England!
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23:37 11.07.2018
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I hoped England will make it to the finals, not Croatia. Alas…


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18:06 18.07.2018
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> I hoped England will make it to the finals, not Croatia. Alas…
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Yeah, that was so painful — that semi — final. You see, to start off with — no one expected the England squad to get anywhere past the group qualifier, and even after that the hopes of them winning anything were not very high. When they beat Sweden to get into the semis — the press and the people all of a sudden started to believe that we could win the tournament (big mistake) and meet Belgium in the final. All the predictions turned out to be wrong, Belgium didn't make it into the final, we didn't make it past Croatia. During that game one could see that the English players were very tired on the pitch, etc.

Anyway, it's over for another 4 years. It was one fantastic World Cup, England got into the semis again for the first time in 28 years. So — it's all good.
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18:23 18.07.2018
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> Oh, Boris. You will be missed (in Russia)
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The Government is a mess. He resigned (delivered his resignation speech today actually in Parliament) — so did the other 9 members of the Government, they are trying to bring down May's Government cause they don't agree with her Brexit strategy. David Davis — the main negotiator with the EU on Britain's behalf — who also resigned — says that May wasted two years of negotiation with the EU and like Boris he thinks that she set out to keep the UK in limbo. The Chequers deal is rubbish, etc. On the other hand, the Remainers in the Cabinet and amongst the Parliament members are not happy with May either, as they think that the Brexit she wants to deliver is not soft enough. They also all voted against it and she scraped the vote through the House of Commons by 3 votes only.

It is all one big and utter mess.

Even though I — like many others in the City — voted to stay in (as we knew it would be a mess and just didn't want the instability of it), if one sets out to respect the public vote — one should do so through till the end, otherwise what was the point of starting it at all? It's a matter of democratic principle. May has been nothing but an incapable, dithering cow — all throughout the process. Trying to appease all sides and in the end — no one is happy.

I don't know — we might end up having another General Election. But she is trying to impose another referendum on us, like «Look, the deal is so bad, maybe it's better to stay in the EU?» If another referendum is imposed on the UK - I personally will get very disappointed in the democracy in Britain. We will see what happens.

I actually don't think the EU will even accept her Chequers deal anyway.

These are the times when one needs someone like Thatcher in power, who can unite the Conservatives, May is not that person. She just seems to want to cling on to power at all costs and doesn't care about the country.

We will see what happens.

<nobr>P. S.</nobr> In the beginning of the 90s (when the UK crashed out of the ERM (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date s/stories/september/16/newsid_2519000/25 19013.stm) , when we didn't join the Euro currency) — the interest rates went up to 15% in this country, people were losing houses, as couldn't afford the mortgage, etc. But Thatcher still stood her ground. And things improved shortly after that. Thing is — there is no appeasing the EU — you are either wholly fully in, or wholly fully out. That's it. She wants to have her cake and eat it, it doesn't work like that with the EU. If they (the Government) didn't know how to handle the situation, they shouldn't have called the referendum in the first place, as it was clear that the British would vote for Brexit. Now it is one utter chaos.

Anyway, we will see what happens next.
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09:13 19.07.2018
The Telegraph's analysis of Bo Jo's speech in the House of Commons yesterday.

Boris Johnson's scathing resignation speech could mean the start of a leadership challenge

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/18/...

Here is another

Theresa May's Brexit proposal is so detached from reality that it can only end in disaster

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/15/ther...

We will see what happens. We here are so FED UP with all this Brexit palaver — can't even hear the word anymore. Cameron shouldn't have started all this.
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09:25 19.07.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> no one expected the England squad to get anywhere past the group qualifier, and even after that the hopes of them winning anything were not very high
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Your team showed everybody England is still in game among the strongest football teams. Good job!
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09:26 19.07.2018
Some comments

John I Smith 16 Jul 2018 3:24PM

Interesting, but I can't take too seriously the words of a climate change denier.
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Robert McNeill-Wilson 16 Jul 2018 5:21PM

@John I Smithes, that's the case with quite a few people who are uncomfortable with reality.
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S Daniels 16 Jul 2018 11:12AM

The following statement

During more than 40 years of European integration, the UK economy has become so enmeshed with those of the rest of the EU that a vast tranche of our economic activity is only legally authorised by a thicket of EU laws

is utter nonsense.

42% of our trade is with the EU. That means we are significantly less integrated economically than Russia, Israel or Turkey. 75% of Canada's trade is with the US. And bear in mind of that 42% almost half are services, to which the single market is largely irrelevant.

We are not in the Euro, or Schnegen. Our economic structure is fundamentally different being more flexible and service oriented and our non-prescriptive precedent-based legal system is completely alien to the European Napoleonic Code

Noone has ever questioned the fact that we will continue to comply with Europe. What we do with the other 80% of our economy is none of their business

J Van der Mark 17 Jul 2018 9:32PM

@S Daniels

And thus every reason for leaving.
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Simon Nelson 16 Jul 2018 10:28AM

All we hear is about all the chaos that will ensue if we leave the EU, the only reason for chaos would be if it was created politically.
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Martin Davis 16 Jul 2018 8:49AM

Great to hear how the wealthy Brexit Telegraph pensioners are happy to put other people's jobs and futures on the line in pursuit of their nationalist fantasy.

David Walker 16 Jul 2018 3:27PM

@Martin Davis Great to hear how today's younger generations would happily give away the country their forefathers fought and died to protect.
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James Adams 16 Jul 2018 9:26PM

@Martin Davis What a stupid, arrogant comment. They are not putting «other people's jobs and futures on the line» any more than remaining in the EU would. And why is NOT wanting to be governed by a federal EU a nationalist «fantasy»? Do you believe the UK has already disappeared as a nation?
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john smith 16 Jul 2018 3:57AM

Dozens of countries trade perfectly well with the EUSSR without being part of it or bound by it's rules. Why does everyone think it's so difficult for Britain to do the same.

Geoffrey Gibson 16 Jul 2018 1:48AM

When the former Soviet states were
subjected to what was called «Shock
Therapy,» the medical model was agreed
to be apt. Of course, some procedures
can be a technical success, but the
patient nonetheless expires. The inborn
relative vitality is the key factor.
Trouble is the PM does not look to be
able to manage the rigours of what the
medical people call the «complications» !

David Vegas 15 Jul 2018 11:16PM

This is nonsense. If the EU locks us out of their market, they’re locked out of ours.
With Trump about to slap 25% tariffs on EU cars, the German car industry is unlikely to accept a no deal with the UK.
Germany is as reliant on its exports as Saudi Arabia is. If people start losing their jobs across the Europe — particularly Germans — the EU will collapse.
It won’t happen. They aren’t stupid.
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David Donald 16 Jul 2018 5:35AM

@David Vegas So naive it's almost touching
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James Edwards 16 Jul 2018 9:19AM

@Troy Belle @David Vegas Naivety? We have the spectacle of VW, BMW and Daimler eagerly pushing for the abolition of EU car barriers in order to assuage Mr Trump’s wrath. They are not demanding that America accepts the writ of the ECJ, or submits to the EU regulatory regime. They are not insisting on the «four freedoms», or babbling pieties about the sanctity of the single market.
They just want to trade.


S Daniels 16 Jul 2018 11:17AM


@David Donald @David Vegas
Yeah right. If the EU is so powerful how does a bit of bluster from Trump send them reeling? Dependent on Russian gas and heavily exposed to export demand. Britain just needs to grow a pair and say hey tariffs work fine for us, we'll profit from them to the tune of many billions a year.
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Warren Gaskell 15 Jul 2018 10:27PM

We all know leaving cleanly is going to have an economic impact for a while. So be it!
Some things are more important.
Stop whinging about how we will all be worse off. Lets get on with it, take the hit and show the EU that we can get along perfectly well without them.

Peter Palmer 15 Jul 2018 10:20PM


How is that some folks think this great nation is incapable of trading as a non-EU country? We did so for centuries before the petty, authoritarian EU bureaucrats were even born.

According to the EU's own estimates, 90% of global economic growth will happen outside of the EU. Why would we want to shackle ourselves to that anchor?

May's plan is ludicrous….but the EU will demand even more concessions.

Trump was right when he said a US-UK deal wasn't possible… they'd be better off talking to the EU directly — as unfruitful as that is.

A clean break from the EU allows the deal with the US. And Australia, Canada, India….in fact all of the Commonwealth nations and many others beside, including China. None of that is possible under May's scheme; negotiations would be done by the EU, home to many of our competitors.

May's advice is coming from foreign bosses of multi-national firms who love EU regulations — they provide barriers to competitors, including British entrepreneurs.
The vast majority of firms will lose out under May's capitulation to EU Common Rules. That dictates that all domestic and export products and processes (regardless of destination) must comply with EU standards. But most overseas customers have their own standards which are different. Easy enough to meet without the EU rules but impossible with them.
How can UK firms meet both?

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Gayle Loveland 15 Jul 2018 9:23PM

…I'd recommend that Mrs. May have a good listen, or two, to one of the catchiest tunes from the American musical, «Hamilton»: «You Haven’t Got The Votes!»….
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Charles Lee 15 Jul 2018 9:14PM

«This was to remain in the wider European Economic Area (EEA) by rejoining Norway in the European Free Trade Association.»
It is bizarre that Christopher Booker doesn't know that EFTA members are obliged to observe the Four Freedoms of the EU, including freedom of movement of labour.
The only difference is that countries like Norway have no say in policy-making.
I have serious doubts about Booker's sanity.
«The European Economic Area (EEA) unites the EU Member States and the three EEA EFTA States (Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Norway) into an Internal Market governed by the same basic rules. These rules aim to enable goods, services, capital, and persons to move freely about the EEA in an open and competitive environment, a concept referred to as the four freedoms.»
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09:31 19.07.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> they shouldn't have called the referendum in the first place
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It seems Cameron didn't believe people will vote for Brexit, that's why the referendum was called in the first place.
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09:35 19.07.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> With Trump about to slap 25% tariffs on EU cars, the German car industry is unlikely to accept a no deal with the UK
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Btw, I was kinda shocked to hear Trump offered Macron to leave EU. It looked more like some kind of cheap TV-show rather than geopolitical move.
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09:38 19.07.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> they shouldn't have called the referendum in the first place
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>It seems Cameron didn't believe people will vote for Brexit, that's why the referendum was called in the first place.
quoted1

Oh, I think he did allow for the possibility of this outcome. The reason the referendum was called by him was he had no choice. Before every election the Conservatives promised people the Referendum on the EU. And every time they postponed it — until people started voting for UKIP in droves. Why would people want the referendum if they didn't intend to vote for Brexit? Cameron had to do it otherwise he would have been ousted by his own Party members, many of whom are long standing Eurosceptics and have been for ages. Where Cameron went wrong was he believed he would achieve such a great deal with the EU prior to the Referendum that people would back it, but he didn't achieve it.

Anyway, got to go to work now.
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10:21 19.07.2018
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> Anyway, got to go to work now.
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How I see Brexit
gtg too, cya later
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10:40 19.07.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> Anyway, got to go to work now.
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> How I see Brexit
> gtg too, cya later
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That little pup is mega cute.
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10:52 19.07.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> With Trump about to slap 25% tariffs on EU cars, the German car industry is unlikely to accept a no deal with the UK
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>Btw, I was kinda shocked to hear Trump offered Macron to leave EU. It looked more like some kind of cheap TV-show rather than geopolitical move.
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That was just the usual piece of cheap circus on his behalf. For those countries who are in the Euro currency it would be very hard to leave the EU without the dramatic consequences for their economies. Thank God Britain is at least not in the Euro — thanks to Thatcher, otherwise it would have been much much worse. At least our monetary policy has always been ours.
P. S. they just appointed the New Brexit Secretary — show must go on

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/new...
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