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  Redhead
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20:51 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Lolz. It only shows how really uninformed person you are. I bet you can't even tell why you consider him Kremlin paid troll. Really, calling Shaun Walker a Kremlin paid troll sounds less ridiculus to me.
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I never said Shaun Walker was a Kremlin paid troll, I told you he wasn't. I admit — I haven't really watched the other guy's videos and don't know who he is, perhaps I am a bit ill informed. But in Ukraine the propaganda seems different — more Western like — look at this thread I just saw on the main page — read the first post — it explains the difference
https://www.politforums.net/internal/1529773112.... .
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  Redhead
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21:10 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Of course, I'm not so sensitive about Russia/Putin/Patriarch etc ^^
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Since when? You used to be pretty passionate in your «patriotic» support of Putin=Russia. And if you are hinting at me being sensitive re the UK — I am not — I mean I am, but not in the sense that "patriots" in Russia are. I like the fact that our press and people are critical of the authorities, suspicious, mistrustful, I like the fact that they want the authorities taken to account and criticize everything around relentlessly. I think it is healthy for the country. As regards the Queen and the Church of England — they stay out of politics and so they should. Unlike in Russia where the Church is there as another instrument of Putin's poisonous propaganda and acts as yet another excuse maker for the authorities' actions. I don't even consider your Church a proper church and the faith of your people to be a proper faith. The reason being — is because all those people in Russia used to be communists who destroyed churches, then they were told communism was bad and they are to become Christians and all of a sudden — look — they go «We are Christians. We love God». It doesn't happen like that you see. One thing I respect about my parents and my uncle — is they have always stayed atheists or shall I say — agnostics. My Dad says to me «All my life I didn't go to the Church and am not starting now, I don't feel anything inside about it and I don't want to fake it, even if it is fashionable».

To be fair, I was christened as a kid as Orthodox, then when I got married the first time I converted to Catholicism (it was important for my husband and his family that we had a Church wedding, etc.). Then after the second marriage — converted to the Church of England, as me and my husband wanted for our kids to be christened in the church of his faith — the Church of England.
Here in London there is a beautiful Russian Orthodox Church in the heart of the West End — in Knightsbridge (very fine part of the West End). Here it is









Here is Prince Charles attending a service there and having a prayer





Service





I went there a few times and met a few people (that was ages ago) and because they were believers way before Perestroyka, etc., as some have ancestors who immigrated into Great Britain after the Revolution — they seem different, they seem more genuine in their belief.
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  Redhead
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21:21 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Do you approve jailing people for having different opinion? Do you approve stripping old people from their pensions? What about shelling your fellow citizens with heavy artillery?
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I don't approve of any of those things, how can you even think that?
But you have to take into account that Putin's green men and the «recruits» from the Donbass underworld — they hide in the civilian areas and buildings — like schools and hospitals and fire from there. What are the Ukrainians supposed to do but answer back? I get the impression that the people of Donbass are oppressed not by the Ukrainian forces, but by the so called «separatists». Because in those places where they are gone — like Slavyansk for instance — life is nice and peaceful and people are happy.
In general, I heard many opinions along the lines that if Putin didn't mess with the country after Maidan — it would have ended up like the Maidan of 2004 — it would have all blown over. But this annexation of the territory and military interference — made a lot of Ukrainians much more nationalistic. This nationalism is not of a fascist nature, but a response to Russian imperialism and chauvinism.
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21:26 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Talk to the rebels? Is it so hard to do? Isn't it what they were to do in the first place? Btw, they ditched Savchenko for doing it. I'm not her fan (like at all), but at least she tried.
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They are not proper rebels. You see, Putin doesn't want Donbass, he wants it to act as a territory with its own authorities but be within Ukraine. And through them he wants to influence the foreign policy course of the whole of Ukraine. Ukraine does not want that. Understandably - they have their own country and want to make their own decisions. So right now — it is an unsolvable situation. If I was in place of the Ukrainian authorities, I would have given up on Donbass. Let Putin have it. But he doesn't want it, cause he doesn't care about the people there, he wants to use it in the way I just described above. It is so cruel to those people — it is unbelievable. I can't even talk about it, it brings tears to my eyes.

Anyway, got to go. Will answer the rest a bit later.
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  Redhead
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22:48 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> So you can't fool me. Sorry.
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>I wasn't trying. But thanks for reminding me about this beautiful song
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You like the Queen? Although, understandably — the Queen is outside «likes» or «dislikes», it is what they call a rock classic. Do you even know what «Queen» means in the name of their group (one of the main meanings Freddie attached to it)? Mercury was bi sexual and drag Queen, which means he liked to dress up as a woman. But in today's Russia they hate gays, trannies, etc. so much. But at the same time — like the Queen (the rock group). They don't understand — they should allow people to be who they want to be. It is because of the lack of that and the stiffness of the Soviet society — that Nuryev for example — defected to the West during the tours abroad in the Soviet times. By the way — he was also by sexual, gay, drag Queen and happened to become one of the best friends of Freddie Mercury, Madonna and many artistic people in the West. And just like Mercury — died of AIDS — just cause there was no cure at the time. Here in the West some people call Rudolph Nuryeev «Russian Freddie Mercury».
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22:51 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> You probably just have an unjustified heightened sense of self worth — like most Russians — as your propaganda keeps telling you that you are the «bestest» — the most «spiritual», kind, generous, etc. Whereas if one reads this forum — invariably — «patriots» form a completely different impression. Compared to the English — the Russian mentality (I don't mean everyone, I mean the «patriots» I got to know on this forum) s u cks — I am glad I don't live amongst people like that. See — there is a difference between being assertive and being arrogant and bad mouthed with it. The latter is the «patriots» and they come across as ugly. I am not kidding, I honestly can compare.
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Well, at least you don't say all Russians are ugly and their mentality s u c k s compared to the English. Just a majority of Russians, how nice of you.

Having read this I must confess: both British and Russian people have great hospitality (with some unfortunate exceptions)

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> if their mods are really truly biased in the sense that they support those who prefer the North American skaters — then maybe there is a feeling of jealousy towards the Russian skaters, as they are more successful. Who knows.
quoted1
Well, at first reading that forum I felt ashamed as a Russian, because some Russians were literally bashing Russian skaters. On the contrary I've never seen any American/Canadian bashing NA skaters there. But after a few months I've realised that majority of negative posts about NA or NA skaters are deleted by mods and you are to be punished if your post about NA skater was negative or slightly negative.
After they realised they loose traffic they stopped execcive banning and Administration wrote a few positive articles about Russian skaters.

Off-season is extremely boring and figure skating fans go nuts because nothing really happening. Medvexit was a salvation for many of them
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22:59 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, at least you don't say all Russians are ugly and their mentality s u c k s compared to the English. Just a majority of Russians, how nice of you.
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> Having read this I must confess: both British and Russian people have great hospitality (with some unfortunate exceptions)
quoted1

You gotta understand, I myself am not Russian anymore in my mentality — I mean I am Russian of course — but I haven't lived there for so long, I can only judge from the outside. And I judge by this forum, which might not be that representative of the whole country. Certainly not of the Russian intelligensia, which has always been very strong in that country  (Russia) — in the minority, but concentrated and strong in opposing the crowds. These are the people who I truly respect.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, at first reading that forum I felt ashamed as a Russian, because some Russians were literally bashing Russian skaters. On the contrary I've never seen any American/Canadian bashing NA skaters there.
quoted1

Maybe because they are jealous of Russians being better at figure skating? Not all people in the UK, Canada, etc. are intelligensia either.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> But after a few months I've realised that majority of negative posts about NA or NA skaters are deleted by mods and you are to be punished if your post about NA skater was negative or slightly negative.
quoted1

This is plain wrong.
Is it a Russia registered forum or a Western forum?
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23:03 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> the other guy's videos and don't know who he is
quoted1
Let me brief you than
Shari says that:
— Crimea is Ukraine
— EU is great and he wants Ukraine to be like West Europe (with the expcepiton of refugees, he doesn't like them since he spent a lot of time with them when he fled from Ukraine)
— 90% of his videos are about corruption in Ukraine. He also makes subs for his videos from time to time and sends them to EU officials so they can see what is going on in Ukraine.
He is his latest success https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5af9b9ec9a7947c76...

He was always negative about «new» Ukrainian politicians and those Ukrainians who believed them, that's why he was labeled Kremlin troll by Ukrainian «partiots» who admired them at first.

I also have to admit I don't like him as a person because he is so full of himself, as we say it «корона выросла».
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23:08 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> This is plain wrong.
> Is it a Russia registered forum or a Western forum?
quoted1
It is very respected western forum, its owner takes interviews from famous athletes and coaches from time to time. But mods there s u c k compared to this forum. You can't even complain about their behaviour, it is forbidden and you'll get «roger» for that.
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23:10 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> He was always negative about «new» Ukrainian politicians and those Ukrainians who believed them, that's why he was labeled Kremlin troll by Ukrainian «partiots» who admired them at first.
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> I also have to admit I don't like him as a person because he is so full of himself, as we say it «корона выросла».
quoted1

OK. I see. Well, it is good then that he criticizes everything in Ukraine. Ukraine is of course a very corrupt country. Corruption doesn't go quickly. But you still seem to be more worried about the corruption in Ukraine and seize on this guys' videos to say how oppressed Ukrainians are. Although the criticisms of the authorities are in abundance there. What about your mother Russia? The corruption there is on a different scale, it is major. How about people who criticize things there? Aren't you the one who labelled them Russophobes and horrible liberals and that?
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23:12 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> This is plain wrong.
>> Is it a Russia registered forum or a Western forum?
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>It is very respected western forum, its owner takes interviews from famous athletes and coaches from time to time. But mods there s u c k compared to this forum. You can't even complain about their behaviour, it is forbidden and you'll get «roger» for that.
quoted1

Well, it sounds very unwestern. It honestly does. Is it American or English or Canadian owned?
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23:15 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Maybe because they are jealous of Russians being better at figure skating? Not all people in the UK, Canada, etc. are intelligensia either.
quoted1
Well, Brits are neutral, to be honest I like British Eurosport commentators the most because Russian Commentators are biased, Canadian commentators are biased. Brititsh commentators tell it as it is.
Probably, same goes to British figure skating fans.

And it's not like all Russians are fans of Russian ladies. It's international forum and it's like 33% Russian ladies fans are from Russia, 33% are from USA and 33% from other countries. I think there are so mant US fans because figure skating is still popular there but their ladies are having really hard times since 2010 (or even earlier). So they are following the leaders.
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23:16 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Is it American or English or Canadian owned?
>
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I don't know for sure, he sounds like American to me (but I'm not sure)
here is example of him
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23:18 23.06.2018
Oh, he is Canadian
https://twitter.com/tedflett
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23:20 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, it sounds very unwestern
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Yep, when I realised it my first thought was «freedom of speech my a s s»
lol
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