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  Grin
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09:50 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> y point is only marginalised politicians dare to take pro-Russian stance cause they don't have much to lose or it won't harm them.
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> Pro Putin stance is difficult for any Western politician to take. Cause of the system you run there is so different from our system. The English can have disagreements with the Germans, the French, even with the Americans — but they all look solvable enough, cause the systems are similar. With your country, your system is not on a par with ours. There is no transparency, no honour to any commitments, it is wild. So on the one hand — people are afraid of you, on the other — they don't wanna deal with you, cause you don't know the meaning of the rules, so there is no certainty. You have to try and see it from the Western world's point of view a little bit as well, not just from the point of view of your Government.
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I see it in a different way. Russia is a convenient scapegoat for many western politicians. For example, American mass media were pulling false #Russiagate narrative for years. Trump called it witch-hunt.
Please don’t take offence but when somebody speaks about «honor» of western politicians and their «principals» I feel very skeptic about it. To be honest I’m laughing my ass out. Pardon my French. But it’s ridiculous when smb talks about the honor of most vicious predators on planet Earth.
We say here in Russia that agreements with western countries don't worth the paper on which they were signed because of the long record of broken promises and deals.
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09:57 21.06.2019
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My dear Russian little friend (try and not to take offence), EVERYONE in this world is a predator, some are more successful than others. The difference between say the Russians and the English — the English are more developed, they are at a different stage of development, their experiences are HUGE — colonisation of the world, the most successful Empire ever known to man, the breakup of the Empire, the Commonwealth, the language, which went international, the music, the culture. The games you enjoy — the sports, the reality Telly shows you cry over here — it is all the Brits. The little island. What have you ever offered to the world?
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14:57 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> What have you ever offered to the world?
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How about
https://studyinrussia.ru/why-russia/traditions-o...
https://www.culture.ru/music/persons/composer
https://www.culture.ru/literature/persons/writer...
It's not the full list of course.
But I wasn't talking about stages of development etc.

You were appealing to honor. Well it's better not to appeal to honour and principles if you talk about politics. The term «interests» is more appropriate.
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15:11 21.06.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> How abouthttps://studyinrussia.ru/why-russia /traditions-o...https://www.culture.ru/m usic/persons/composerhttps://www.culture .ru/literature/persons/writer...It's not the full list of course. But I wasn't talking about stages of development etc.
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Russia is a magnificent country, with great history, I never argued that.

But in your modern propaganda, you are battling in vain against the English culture, in vain. Your greatest people came over here to learn — your elites — starting from Peter the Great and ending up with your current self proclaimed oligarchy «elites». If you don't want anything to do with England — then f uck off of our land, if you do come here, spend your money here, send your kids to schools here, then you have to respect us and our culture.
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15:52 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> But in your modern propaganda, you are battling in vain against the English culture, in vain. Your greatest people came over here to learn — your elites — starting from Peter the Great and ending up with your current self proclaimed oligarchy «elites». If you don't want anything to do with England — then f uck off of our land, if you do come here, spend your money here, send your kids to schools here, then you have to respect us and our culture.
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I wasn't blaming your country for acting in accordance with your interests. I'm not talking about Theresa May now because she wasn't acting in accordance with British interests obviously

Every other more or less independent country acts in accordance with their interests. But some countries pretend they act like that for the sake of democracy (or any other phony pretext). Some of their naive citizens believe this propaganda. Sad but true.
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16:19 21.06.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> wasn't blaming your country for acting in accordance with your interests.
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And if you indeed DID blame our country, somehow — we would have survived that one.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I'm not talking about Theresa May now because she wasn't acting in accordance with British interests obviously
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Hard to make out what you mean, cause of extremely poor English. But as regards — Cameron, Johnson, May, etc. Here it is democracy, it doesn't matter what they want, it matters what the people want. At the moment — they are desperately willing to get out of the EU, that is all that matters really.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Every other more or less independent country acts in accordance with their interests
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Could you please tell me, what are your country's interests? Please.
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16:29 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> And if you indeed DID blame our country, somehow — we would have survived that one
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You just went a bit on the defensive as if I was blaming you in something. So I thought it's better to make my point clear.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Hard to make out what you mean, cause of extremely poor English. But as regards — Cameron, Johnson, May, etc. Here it is democracy, it doesn't matter what they want, it matters what the people want. At the moment — they are desperately willing to get out of the EU, that is all that matters really.
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Oh, you are smart enough to make it out despite my poor English. But will you deny the fact that your country lost quite a lot of time waiting for May to serve you a proper Brexit?

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Could you please tell me, what are your country's interests? Please.
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I can name some. For example no NATO troops and nukes near our borders.
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16:40 21.06.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> But will you deny the fact that your country lost quite a lot of time waiting for May to serve you a proper Brexit?
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No, of course I won't deny the fact that Mrs May has never had any intention of giving us Brexit, that people voted for. I think that one is quite clear for anyone. Why the gloating on your part?
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I can name some. For example no NATO troops and nukes near our borders.
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And what do they do to you — those «nukes» — do they prolong the age at which one can retire for example and get a pension ? Why the bother?
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16:53 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Why the gloating on your part?
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Well, I was positive about her too at first. So nothing to gloat about. Sorry for disappointing you

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> And what do they do to you — those «nukes» — do they prolong the age at which one can retire for example and get a pension? Why the bother?
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There is some kind of 'balance of fear' that prevents open conflict between Russia and NATO. It should be kept like that. Otherwise a disaster can happen. As for me Europe should be also interested in preserving that balance or in making a new one where Russia will be integrated in European security system (it's unrealistic for now of course).
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17:00 21.06.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, I was positive about her too at first. So nothing to gloat about. Sorry for disappointing you
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Don't worry about disappointing me, you have nothing to show me — you don't have the money, you don't have anything really. All you can afford is an Apple watch, which every dog out there can afford, so — not particularly interested.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> here is some kind of 'balance of fear' that prevents open conflict between Russia and NATO. I
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There isn't. Russia was cooperating very well with NATO. The break up is about Putin's gang thieving it all by themselves, the reason they are getting kicked out of the international financial system is precisely because they don't observe any rules. They are mafia type of people and the way they act — well, you know. He can do whatever he likes to the likes of you in his country, but not in the West, the rules are different here. Simples really.
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17:25 21.06.2019
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> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> Well, I was positive about her too at first. So nothing to gloat about. Sorry for disappointing you
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>Don't worry about disappointing me, you have nothing to show me — you don't have the money, you don't have anything really. All you can afford is an Apple watch, which every dog out there can afford, so — not particularly interested.
> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> here is some kind of 'balance of fear' that prevents open conflict between Russia and NATO. I
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>There isn't. Russia was cooperating very well with NATO. The break up is about Putin's gang thieving it all by themselves, the reason they are getting kicked out of the international financial system is precisely because they don't observe any rules. They are mafia type of people and the way they act — well, you know. He can do whatever he likes to the likes of you in his country, but not in the West, the rules are different here. Simples really.
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There is. If you attack us everybody will die.

And there weren't any successful cooperation between Russia and NATO.

May be you can give an example of some united military drills or a situation when Russia's opinion was taken into consideration by NATO?
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17:33 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Don't worry about disappointing me, you have nothing to show me — you don't have the money, you don't have anything really. All you can afford is an Apple watch, which every dog out there can afford, so — not particularly interested.
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Why you are so offensive than? Jumping to personalities after I pointed out that your system allows undeserving people to become a PM. Even most hurray patriotic vatniks dont go nuts after just a slight criticism of Russian political system.
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18:02 21.06.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> There is. If you attack us everybody will die.
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Look in the mirror, we are not promising to attack anyone, and we are not promising «raj» (paradise), to those who do the attacking. This is from Putin and the Middle East freaks.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Why you are so offensive than
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It should be «then», not «than», mind your English. I am English, not American, so — please respect our language.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Jumping to personalities
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Weird expression, means nothing.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Why you are so offensive than? Jumping to personalities after I pointed out that your system allows undeserving people to become a PM. Even most hurray patriotic vatniks dont go nuts after just a slight criticism of Russian political system.
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You are free to criticise our system and Theresa May and anything you like, no one has ever stopped you from doing that here EVER, so don't cry «the russophobic victim», it is boring. Honestly.
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18:25 21.06.2019
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> we are not promising to attack anyone
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You aren't just promising. You are attacking those who disagree with you and who can't retaliate.

And the US is the only country in the world who used nuclear weapons against people.

Remember Cuban missile crisis? Why on earth should we calmly watch NATO missiles are placed in our doorstep.
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18:29 21.06.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> You are free to criticise our system and Theresa May and anything you like
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But every time I criticise smth British you go nuts.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> so don't cry «the russophobic victim», it is boring. Honestly.
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Come on, you can do better than that. I never called you a russophobe. More than that, I was trying to persuade you that you aren't when you admitted you have smth russophobic in your personality.
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