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  Redhead
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21:05 22.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Btw, you have mentioned the Budapest Memorandum earlier.
> I have to remind you it was signed by the Russian Federation, the United States of America and the United Kingdom.
> Looks like security assurances from all 3 countries aren't worthy the paper on which they were signed.
quoted1

I am well aware of the fact that Britain and the States signed that memorandum. They let Ukraine down. In hindsight (hindsight is a beautiful but useless thing of course) — they should have never signed it and let Ukraine keep their weapons. If they did, they wouldn't have lost Crimea and they (the Ukrainians) wouldn't have this nasty war now on their hands. But at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union — the most important thing for the West and Americans especially was nuclear non proliferation. They wanted the nuclear weapons to stay in one country and obviously — that country had to be Russia as the main successor of the USSR. They didn't want nukes all over the place and helped Russians transfer them safely back to Russia from the republics. What a mistake that was.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Anyway there was also an obligation to «Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine in order to influence its politics», which was broken by the USA and EU (Britain included) on «human rights violations» pretext when they imposed sanctions on Belarus.
quoted1

Never heard of it. Economic sanctions have always existed and will exist. These days they are much more powerful than any nukes. Nukes is just a deterrent, but we are living in the age of economic wars now. Today Trump announced 25% tariffs on car imports from the EU for instance. And he didn't even need a «pretext».

Like I tried to explain it to you before already, you think as if you lived in the 19th century world. That is what the Kremlin propaganda did to you. Shame, as you are far from stupid.
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  Redhead
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21:08 22.06.2018
Grin (25771),

I thought that someone said I should stay away from politics. And now — you are trying to get me involved in a political discussion — first about how horrible the Brits are, now it is the Ukrainians. The Russians are of course all white and fluffy and pure angels. I think not.
If you want to discuss politics, I will give it a try. But I know you ain't gonna like my opinions and I am not holding myself back from expressing them, I am used to express my opinions freely, as I happen to live in a free country.
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  Redhead
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21:43 22.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Fascism towards Ukrainians? Can you give some examples?
quoted1

Your country attacked theirs, took their territory and stirred up a very nasty war in another one of their territories, when Ukraine was in a very weak position after the revolution. What you did in Crimea was the same as what Hitler did in Sudetes (try and find at least one difference). Here in the West — a fascist country is not the one where there is a bunch of ultra nationalists having an odd march or jump or song (those exist in any country including yours and mine and unsurprisingly — they always form an element at uprisings, etc.), but those who attack other countries and take their territories. Can you spot the difference?
The Kremlin propaganda turned all of this on its head in their TV programmes, which most of the Russians are buying. And as a result — most chauvinistic and fascistic statements re Ukraine come from them on this forum — not Ukrainians. Ukrainians also say horrible things but that is understandable — they are the ones under attack, not yourselves. And in Ukraine the attitude to Russia is not positive at all, I have relatives there as well so I know what I am talking about. And the conflict is covered very objectively in the press here as well — well, more objectively than by your press that is for sure. Those who are aggressors have the most false propaganda, it has always been like this — it's a given. So you can't fool me. Sorry.
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10:19 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Get off your high horse, it helps.
quoted1
Look who's talking about the high horse

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I had a look at your forum, it seems boring at the best of times. Discussing sport is one thing, but discussing someone's every dress and every move is quite another. People on your forum should try and get a life. Sorry to sound harsh, but it is true.
quoted1
Agreed. You don't soud harsh. And I hate it anyway ^^
Their mods are biased as f towards North American skaters.
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10:22 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I am not going to watch the video shot by one of the Kremlin paid trolls. There have been tons of them on this forum at one time and it is quite clear the guy is a fake, thick as two short planks and his humour is ultra blunt. So — no, thanks.
>
quoted1
Lolz. It only shows how really uninformed person you are. I bet you can't even tell why you consider him Kremlin paid troll. Really, calling Shaun Walker a Kremlin paid troll sounds less ridiculus to me.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> his humour is ultra blunt
quoted1
Agreed. I assure you, there is no humor in that interview. He also did interview with a woman who started campain in social media agains Svetlana and wrote a denunciation to the "СБУ". I can find it if you want.
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10:25 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Never heard of it. Economic sanctions have always existed and will exist. These days they are much more powerful than any nukes. Nukes is just a deterrent, but we are living in the age of economic wars now. Today Trump announced 25% tariffs on car imports from the EU for instance. And he didn't even need a «pretext».
quoted1
Well, imagine you promise not to impose econimic santions on Belarus in order to influence their policy, than you do it because of «human rights» and «democracy» while being in bed with Saudi Arabia (only love and friendship towards SA), it all sounds as a pretext.
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10:28 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Like I tried to explain it to you before already, you think as if you lived in the 19th century world. That is what the Kremlin propaganda did to you. Shame, as you are far from stupid.
>
quoted1
It's not about the 19th century and I don't think that the fact that EU and the USA had broken the Budapest Memorandum earlier somehow justifies Russia. It's just funny when a Brit accuses Russia in breaking it.
Same goes to invading other countries accusations.
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10:30 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I thought that someone said I should stay away from politics. And now — you are trying to get me involved in a political discussion — first about how horrible the Brits are, now it is the Ukrainians. The Russians are of course all white and fluffy and pure angels. I think not.
quoted1
We can stop it if you like.
I think we can help each other, everybody has «blind spots». As an example your post about Shari. It was beyond ridiculus to call Ukrainian nationalist (he is in my opinion) a Kremlin paid troll.
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10:35 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Your country attacked theirs, took their territory and stirred up a very nasty war in another one of their territories, when Ukraine was in a very weak position after the revolution. What you did in Crimea was the same as what Hitler did in Sudetes (try and find at least one difference). Here in the West — a fascist country is not the one where there is a bunch of ultra nationalists having an odd march or jump or song (those exist in any country including yours and mine and unsurprisingly — they always form an element at uprisings, etc.), but those who attack other countries and take their territories. Can you spot the difference?
> The Kremlin propaganda turned all of this on its head in their TV programmes, which most of the Russians are buying. And as a result — most chauvinistic and fascistic statements re Ukraine come from them on this forum — not Ukrainians. Ukrainians also say horrible things but that is understandable — they are the ones under attack, not yourselves. And in Ukraine the attitude to Russia is not positive at all, I have relatives there as well so I know what I am talking about. And the conflict is covered very objectively in the press here as well — well, more objectively than by your press that is for sure. Those who are aggressors have the most false propaganda, it has always been like this — it's a given. So you can't fool me. Sorry.
quoted1

Well, I understand you feelings but it isn't fascism. Or we should call the UK and the US fascists too.
Lool about the conflict is covered objectively by Ukrainian media. They openly proclaim they don't do it (because it is «war with Russia now») and you are trying to protect them. There are a few sources trying to be more or less objective, but they are also oppressed.
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10:37 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> But I know you ain't gonna like my opinions and I am not holding myself back from expressing them
quoted1
Of course, I'm not so sensitive about Russia/Putin/Patriarch etc ^^
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10:40 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Looks like a normal reaction to me
quoted1
Do you approve jailing people for having different opinion? Do you approve stripping old people from their pensions? What about shelling your fellow citizens with heavy artillery?
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10:43 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> What did you expect them to do?
quoted1
Talk to the rebels? Is it so hard to do? Isn't it what they were to do in the first place? Btw, they ditched Savchenko for doing it. I'm not her fan (like at all), but at least she tried.
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10:58 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> So you can't fool me. Sorry.
quoted1
I wasn't trying. But thanks for reminding me about this beautiful song
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11:16 23.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Glory to Ukraine does represent Ukrainians on this forum.
quoted1
Only nationalists, you said earlier that most of Ukrainians aren't nationalists. Now you claim they (Glory to Ukraine group) somehow represent the people (all Ukrainians). They don't.

Even biased Ukraininan media tell us that at least 33% of Ukrainians are positive/very positive about Russia.
Does Glory to Ukraine repesent them? How?
I bet Glory to Ukraine dosen't represent entire 55% of Ukrainians who are negative about Russia (becase majority of them aren't nationalistic).

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Iezuit for example, he is a Russian living in Ukraine, he doesn't even speak Ukrainian and does not feel oppressed in any way.
quoted1
I wasn't speaking about Russian speaking Ukrainians. I was speaking about Ukrainians who are positive about Russia. It's a different thing.
Something tells me Iezuit isn't positive about Russia like at all.

You can't pretend 33% of Ukraininans do not exist or it is a healthy thing to opress them or strip them from their rights because of their opinion.
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20:45 23.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Agreed. You don't soud harsh. And I hate it anyway ^^
> Their mods are biased as f towards North American skaters.
>
quoted1

You probably just have an unjustified heightened sense of self worth — like most Russians — as your propaganda keeps telling you that you are the «bestest» — the most «spiritual», kind, generous, etc. Whereas if one reads this forum — invariably — «patriots» form a completely different impression. Compared to the English — the Russian mentality (I don't mean everyone, I mean the «patriots» I got to know on this forum) s u cks - I am glad I don't live amongst people like that. See — there is a difference between being assertive and being arrogant and bad mouthed with it. The latter is the «patriots» and they come across as ugly. I am not kidding, I honestly can compare.
Having said that, if their mods are really truly biased in the sense that they support those who prefer the North American skaters — then maybe there is a feeling of jealousy towards the Russian skaters, as they are more successful. Who knows.
Anyway, that forum seems boring as it is too narrow in choice of subject and that is why the threads are so ridiculous (whether a skater likes this cake or that teddy bear, etc. Give me a break — b o r i n g).
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