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  Redhead
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21:21 19.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> ⍟ Redhead (Expat),
> I see you got banned.
> Here some positive piece of music for you
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Thanks. Yeah, I got banned. It is my own fault — you are right I shouldn't go on the main forum and bicker with people I don't even like — it's futile and unpleasant. Do you understand now why the Convention and the Ukrainians decided to open their own sub forums? There is no dialogue on the main forum — any discussion gets drowned by a hoard of ugly trolls.
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21:23 19.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Even more Ukrainians outside this forum think different (look at nationalistic parties ratings, they are at all-time low level). S
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Most Ukrainians in Ukraine are not «nationalistic» or «banderovets» — they just love their country and don't like the fact that the big neighbour is messing with it. Their nationalism is a healthy reaction to Russian chauvinism and even fascism towards them. Sorry, I know you probably don't want to hear that but it is the truth and their reaction is very healthy. IMHO.
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21:26 19.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Thanks for advise. I'm not following football closely…
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It is very unusual for a man to be so into figure skating and not interested in football. I have no choice — football is everywhere here at the moment. We are even going to have a fun day at work where we are going to wear English team's football T-shirts, can you believe it? We are white collars, the dress code is normally very strict — business suits, court shoes, white shirts, pencil dresses, etc.
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23:33 19.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> It can't be possible that in a country of 150 million there are no other alternatives for people to choose from. You have to ask yourself a question — why is that?
quoted1
Because Putin doesn't want any serious opposition. I blame it on him, but I still can't follow some bunch of clowns and nutters who do their best to be hated and despised by Russian people.
Btw, you called Hopkins a nutter. In fact she is a refined version of Navalny.
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23:41 19.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> It is just the truth and I would be saying that even if I lived in Germany or France. Democracy in Britain is not ideal, but it is the best compared to other countries — even European countries. I will give you an example. Before signing up to the Lisbon Treaty in the EU (this is when the biggest transfer of power occurred from the national governments to the EU institutions) — referendums were held in France, Holland and Denmark (I don't remember now about Danish Referendum), but both in France and Holland people voted «No». Their governments disregarded those results and continued to do referendum after referendum until they got people to vote «Yes». Such a thing is impossible in Britain.
>
> There are some things in this world that are just objective. The fact that the democracy in Britain is more developed is because it is a very old civilization — the first Parliament was born here before Russia even existed as a country, the first revolutions occurred here, etc. It is just an older, more developed society you see.
quoted1
Well, your system is good, but it dosen't make your country best in the world.
If a was a Brit, I would be ashamed. So many crimes committed on phony pretext for the sake of looting other countries. From middle ages till nowadays.
Russia had colonies too, but Russians were trying to build the same system they had in every colony.
Britain was looting it's colonies. It's like, yes, we have something good, but we won't allow you to have the same system.
Even now you can look at Ukraine. Some naive Ukrainians were telling me in 2014 — look at EU/US, they have better system. We will be better with them. I was answering them that no one was going to build something good in Ukraine. And in the end they will blame it on you. And this what is happening now.
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23:43 19.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> By the way — Shaun Walker — here on the forum he is considered to be one of the main Russophobes as his articles about Russian politics are always ultra critical.
quoted1
I don't think he is Russophobe, but he is biased for sure. I used him as an example because I srsly doubt you will believe Graham Phillips
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23:45 19.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Because Putin doesn't want any serious opposition. I blame it on him,
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Of course he doesn't. He wants to rule like a tzar. It is up to people to want the opposition in the first place, darling, don't you get it? Like I said to you before, no politician likes to be challenged, but unless they are — no one takes them to account and that is not healthy. In Russia - compared to somewhere like Britain — the concept of democracy is fledgling, it is such a young country in that respect. It is up to people to support any opposition at the moment, and with their support it will get stronger.

Re — Hopkins v Navalny. Hopkins is not a politician, I don't think she is even a member of any party. She is a show woman on political radio show - LBC (Leading Britain's Conversation) - that is all. She deliberately says clownish things to provoke a discussion, to get people to talk, that's all.
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23:50 19.06.2018
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> Russia had colonies too, but Russians were trying to build the same system they had in every colony.
> Britain was looting it's colonies. It's like, yes, we have something good, but we won't allow you to have the same system.
> Even now you can look at Ukraine. Some naive Ukrainians were telling me in 2014 — look at EU/US, they have better system. We will be better with them. I was answering them that no one was going to build something good in Ukraine. And in the end they will blame it on you. And this what is happening now.
quoted1



That is such a load of nonsense you just wrote up there . It will take time to explain things to you properly, I will address your points tomorrow in detail — I have to go now, good night.)
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00:00 20.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Thanks. Yeah, I got banned. It is my own fault — you are right I shouldn't go on the main forum and bicker with people I don't even like — it's futile and unpleasant. Do you understand now why the Convention and the Ukrainians decided to open their own sub forums? There is no dialogue on the main forum — any discussion gets drowned by a hoard of ugly trolls.
quoted1
Well, that sub forums was one of the reasons I left this forum. For me it was a final coming out of its administration.
If you give sub forum to any anti-Russian group, you should also give sub forums to pro-Russian groups.

You tell me that Ukraine thread is full of trash in main forum. It is. But Russian thread is really the same with only differnce that Convention and Glory to Ukraine trash it instead of Kremlebots and Antimaindan.

You see how Kremlebots and Antimaindan troll others because you are one of their aims.
Well, I see it from the other side (of barricade ).

But the main reason I left was the absence of any really new arguments/opinions. It was same olds every day


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00:02 20.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> That is such a load of nonsense you just wrote up there. It will take time to explain things to you properly, I will address your points tomorrow in detail — I have to go now, good night.)
quoted1
I knew you will react that way. Can't wait to see your responce.
I will probably won't have enough time tomorrow, so I'll try my best today
Good night
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00:08 20.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> It is very unusual for a man to be so into figure skating and not interested in football. I have no choice — football is everywhere here at the moment.
quoted1
Russian football is so full of corruption I can't. It's a pain to see talented athletes are thrown off the board because of it.

I prefer figure scating because it is beautiful, but it is also not that popular ---> less money involved---> less corruption

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00:11 20.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I don't think she is even a member of any party
quoted1
Same goes to Navalny. Anyway, they have similar ideas.
I wonder why your media turn a blind eye on the fact that Navalny has far right political views.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> She deliberately says clownish things to provoke a discussion
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Sounds like Russian opposition to me
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00:12 20.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Most Ukrainians in Ukraine are not «nationalistic» or «banderovets» — they just love their country and don't like the fact that the big neighbour is messing with it. Their nationalism is a healthy reaction to Russian chauvinism and even fascism towards them. Sorry, I know you probably don't want to hear that but it is the truth and their reaction is very healthy. IMHO.
quoted1
I don't get it. How on Earth someone can support the situation when almost half of population in a European country is literally oppressed (some of them are being shelled regularly) and illegaly deprived of their rights. How can you call it healthy? Millons of people all over Ukraine live in fear. You can't pretend they aren't Ukrainians (or they don't exist) because you don't agree with them.
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00:13 20.06.2018
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> darling, don't you get it?
quoted1

I get it about the opposition. But it should be less disgusting at the first place. I won't support any nutter (literally) just because he shouts "opposition"




And one more thing, in a perfect world opposition is independent. In our world Russian opposition is dependent on top Western countries.
If you aware about recent "witch hunt" in US, you will probably understand me. They care about meddling in their domestic affairs. Why shoudn't we care about it too?
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09:31 20.06.2018
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> Well, I see it from the other side (of barricade).
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> But the main reason I left was the absence of any really new arguments/opinions. It was same olds every day
quoted1

You got it all wrong. Noone ever stopped so called pro Russians (I call them «patriots» because I don't consider them truly pro Russian at all) from opening their sub forums. Any group on this forum can open a sub forum and when other groups started opening their sub forums everyone was asking why pro Putininsts were not doing it. The answer is simple. They didn't want to do it themselves. They don't need it themselves, instead — they opened a closed group thread where they write insults about other groups ' members (one of our moderators once by chance saw what they were writing there and I found out that some of those — I call them «jealous chickens» were fighting some sort of "war" against me even though I hardly even post on the main forum). Can you believe it? Some people here are gone (slang for mentally ill). Away with the fairies, seriously. That's cause they don't have real life - this forum seems to be their life. It's just not healthy.

The reason other groups needed it (sub forums) is to carry on talking on this forum and contributing to this forum as otherwise a lot of people would have simply left this forum, talking to the so called" patriots" at their level of discussion is not an option for many others here — those who don't share their opinions. «Patriots» don't respect the right of anyone to have an opinion different from their own and they are like locust on this forum — there are too many of them. Their discussion is a low level trolling and the Administration was very wise to let other groups open their own forums otherwise most Ukrainians and the Convention members wouldn't have been here anymore. This is a beautifully made forum (technically) and not for everyone it is a place to troll and trash the opponents. For those who are here to have a nice discussion sub forums is a must. I for one — am not going on the main forum any more, I am done with that. Anyway, I will answer your points re opposition, football, etc. — later. I got to go to work. Have a nice day) I keep getting «rogers» (skulls) — that's those trolls pressing buttons on my every post . That's another thing that they do — they have tons of time to chase other peoples' posts and send all of them to be moderated. And they do it sneakily. Most normal people who don't hang around here all the time just don't have time for all this you see. Anyway, really got to go now).
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