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  Grin
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17:23 24.04.2019
I partly agree with this article about Zelenski by Guardian
At least it doesn't look like smth from the parallel Universe

https://twitter.com/kgorchinskaya/status/1120679...
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18:50 24.04.2019
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> At least it doesn't look like smth from the parallel Universe
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> https://twitter.com/kgorchinskaya/status/1120679...
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I can't open your twitter link for some reason, but even without reading this article, what I can tell you is this. Thing is — people here are not interested in what is going on in Ukraine, so even if they happen to read something from «parallel universe» or something closer to the truth — they are going to be none the wiser. If you ask a passer by what they think re Ukraine, Russia, all they probably will come up with is something like «Putin is very powerful, but corrupt and is a dictator and annexed Crimea», cause this is what has been drummed into them for years, not much else. I doubt if most are even aware of the fact that Ukraine just had Presidential Elections. Neither Russia, nor Ukraine particularly sell themselves here with soft power tools. And it is soft power tools that work better than anything else here, as people are mostly a-political (with the exception of perhaps Trump, Brexit or climate issues). Well, at least you have figure skating, but it is a very narrow soft power venue for want of a better word, nothing like — say — Chinese takeaways, American Hollywood or British music for instance.

The other day I happened to watch bits of a very popular cookery programme with James Martin (one of the celebrity chefs here, like Gordon Ramsay, Jamie Oliver, etc.) — and he invited a Ukrainian female chef to cook something Ukrainian. She cooked some baked chicken and salad with cabbage and carrots, and small blinis and was selling it as traditional Ukrainian food. Like — this is what we cook in Ukraine, it is a Ukrainian signature dish, not Russian, or Polish, etc. When I was watching it, I was thinking — like «What a load of bullshit, these are traditional Russian dishes». Here on the forum they write awful stuff about the Russian food, culture, habits, etc., but here in the UK they kind of try to sell it as theirs. I didn't like it, found it hypocritical. But people here are none the wiser. They don't know the difference at all. Everyone knows here what French cuisine is about, Chinese, Indian, Italian, you name it — but not Russian so much or Ukrainian. So millions of people watching it would have assumed it is something Ukrainian. And the celebrity chef eating it said something like «Oh, how tasty, I need to go to Ukraine for holidays, etc. If only to eat this fantastic food» and then she started going on about how they should visit Lviv and stuff and that it is a City of an utmost historical importance. This is just an example of how uneducated people here really are — when it comes to Ukraine, Russia, etc. — generally. These are not the places where they travel a lot — like Spain, France, US, Germany, Italy, Ireland, etc. Things like Salisbury chemical attacks are very bad for the Russian image here, so after something like that — a negative article about Russia would be believed much easier than a positive one. Again — just an example. Because this is how people's minds work, it is natural.

The World Cup was a good thing, very positive. But it wasn't quite enough I don't think.

I got to go now, I am running again tonight — speak later.)
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19:01 24.04.2019
P. S. What I wrote about May earlier. I definitely think something dodgy is going on, as there seems to be no logic whatsoever to her agenda. She is probably just trying to help her husband, who is an investment relationship manager — to make some money. He was one of those who was named in the Panama papers in 2016. Someone like Boris would be much better, as he made a lot of money whilst being a comedian on the telly, etc. — he was paid millions of pounds when he was hosting «Have I got the news for you?» and for his journalism (he has been writing the articles for the Spectator, Telegraph, etc — for donkeys years), etc. and is not involved in any dodgy dealings. Or maybe they all are as bad as each other, we just don't know a lot of things in terms of — what exactly is going on behind the scenes.
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22:09 24.04.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I can't open your twitter link for some reason
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Oh, try this one
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/a...

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> P. S. What I wrote about May earlier. I definitely think something dodgy is going on, as there seems to be no logic whatsoever to her agenda. She is probably just trying to help her husband, who is an investment relationship manager — to make some money. He was one of those who was named in the Panama papers in 2016. Someone like Boris would be much better, as he made a lot of money whilst being a comedian on the telly, etc. — he was paid millions of pounds when he was hosting «Have I got the news for you?» and for his journalism (he has been writing the articles for the Spectator, Telegraph, etc — for donkeys years), etc. and is not involved in any dodgy dealings. Or maybe they all are as bad as each other, we just don't know a lot of things in terms of — what exactly is going on behind the scenes.
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Any chances May will be replaced by Boris?
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22:11 24.04.2019
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> I got to go now, I am running again tonight — speak later.)
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See you, have a good run!
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23:10 24.04.2019
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23:58 24.04.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:

I had a brief glance at it and yeah, it seems to reflect your point of view. Also, in the Ukraine/Russia conflict the Guardian came up with quite a few very pro Putin articles by Seamus Milne (he is a staunch Anti NATO campaigner and Corbyn's Director of Communications, he even hosted some conference with Putin on the event — in Moscow). Basically his articles were about how Putin was not to blame for the Ukrainian crisis, it were the Americans and NATO expansion (very similar views to those of RT). In the Telegraph they also had some critical articles, but mostly the criticisms were directed at the EU for making undeliverable promises to Ukraine. That is why when you attack our press claiming it is a one sided propaganda, I just think you really don't know what you are talking about half the time. Sorry to say.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Any chances May will be replaced by Boris?
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Not at the moment. They tried to oust her back in December — the Brexiteers, but didn't manage to do it, as the Party bottled it at the time, thinking they would succeed in putting enough pressure on her and get her to change her mind about her stupid deal re Withdrawal Agreement with the EU, which they also didn't succeed in doing. According to the rules, another attempt to get rid of her — another No Confidence Vote — can't be held for 12 months after the previous one. And it was announced today that the Conservatives didn't manage to get the 1922 Parliamentary Committee to change their rules on that. She has no support in the country whatsoever and she is dragging the party down with her. But she just doesn't seem to care, nothing seems to be getting through to her. Any person who is sane and has at least a smidgen of conscience — would have resigned by now. She doesn't give a flying f"ck (excuse my French), never has done. That is why I am starting to think she has some ulterior motivation (like what I talked about in a couple of my posts above, she must do. Probably a corrupt cow, corrupt to the core.) Let's see what happens after the Tories lose lots of councillors across the country in the local elections and lose in the EU elections. If the losses are too huge, they are on course to lose the next General Election and lots of MPs, so — they will have to do something to remedy the situation.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> See you, have a good run!
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I had a great run, thank you very much.
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> Sasha Trusova for Adidas Primeknit
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How nice for her, well done to her.
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10:01 25.04.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> it seems to reflect your point of view
quoted1
I doesn't reflect my point of view. I also think that guardian expert Shaun Walker and some of his colleagues are biased. But at least their articles about Russia and Ukraine don't look like one big load of bullsh*t. Especially if we compare it with BBC.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> That is why when you attack our press claiming it is a one sided propaganda
quoted1
Well, we have some media who praise West 24/7 and criticise Putin 24/7. But you still think that we don't have freedom of press because all main TV channels are praising Putin.
I agree with you that Russia lacks many freedoms, especially after Ukrainian crisis when Kremlin took some steps to cut our freedoms even more.

But it will be appropriate to apply the same standards to British media too. One or two neutral/positive articles about Russia doesn't make any difference. It seems like 90% of all British media articles about Russia are negative. It looks one-sided to me.
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10:12 25.04.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I had a great run, thank you very much.
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Great news! I'm going to return to swimming soon
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10:25 25.04.2019
Here is another piece on recent Russia's actions towards Ukraine. If I post an article it doesn't mean I absolutely agree with everything written in it)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/24/ru...

As for me the guardian 'forgot' to mention that Zelensky said recently he is against amnesty and special status for LNR and DNR. Both amnesty and special status are mentioned in Minsk agreements. That statement by Zelenski could influence Kremlin decision to ease the process of obtaining Russian citizenship for the people of LNR and DNR.
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00:35 26.04.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> I agree with you that Russia lacks many freedoms, especially after Ukrainian crisis when Kremlin took some steps to cut our freedoms even more.
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> But it will be appropriate to apply the same standards to British media too. One or two neutral/positive articles about Russia doesn't make any difference. It seems like 90% of all British media articles about Russia are negative. It looks one-sided to me.
quoted1

The standards of democracy and freedom of press are on a totally different level in Britain and in Russia. If you think otherwise, you are just not being honest with yourself. I know your game mate, don't worry — your message is that it is the same everywhere. But it is nonsense. And you know it. A lot of patriots on this forum are busy lying to themselves that the West hasn't really moved on that much from Russia in terms of freedoms, but it has. That is not to say that the society here is without its problems, but the difference is huge. Don't belittle Seamus Milne's articles in the Guardian. He is one of the main mouthpieces of the opposition — official, mainstream opposition — Her Majesty's opposition and he has pro Putin and ANti NATO views, he is allowed to have them and voice them in the mainstream press, just like Corbyn is allowed to stand up in the House of Commons and advocate for the UK leaving NATO and abandoning its nuclear defences. It is the same as if your Navalny was allowed to come on to your mainstream telly, take part in the Parliamentary elections or write articles in your mainstream press. Here people are not afraid in the slightest to be arrested or fined by the police for criticizing their authorities (in fact they are doing nothing but), drawing very daring cartoons about May, calling her all sorts of names — in the main Conservative mouthpiece — the Telegraph. So — there is nothing to argue about, you lost.

Actually, I think this is part of the problem with your society at the moment and with your notion of patriotism. Patriotism is not praising everything you have in place regardless, it is striving for something better. And it is impossible to strive for something better or achieve a higher level of development if problems are not being brought up, and as a result those in power are never taken to account. It is also unhealthy to talk down those places, where democratic development is objectively on a higher level. It is like — if you hate the rich, you will never become rich yourself. Jealousy is a sin and is bad first of all for those who experience it and not the other way around.
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00:39 26.04.2019
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> Great news! I'm going to return to swimming soon
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Good man, swimming is good for you.

I got to go now, speak later.)

P. SGetting to work this morning was an utter nightmare, the climate protesters blocked the traffic in the square mile. Some protesters glued themselves — literally with super glue to the London Stock Exchange building and also — some glued themselves to the Docklands Light Railway train (these trains connect the City and the Canary Wharf — it is like another part of the City, closer to Greenwich).
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00:46 26.04.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> If you think otherwise, you are just not being honest with yourself. I know your game mate, don't worry — your message is that it is the same everywhere. But it is nonsense.
quoted1
Not really, I never claimed our democracy is at the same level as yours. It's not even close. You can browse my posts, you won't find any of that kind.

I also can't say that your media is covering everything in a one-sided way, because I don't follow your media that close.

But I can say this:
West in general and your county in particular doing a lot of shit in goepolitics. Russia is doing similar things from time to time. This is how geopolitics works nowadays. But your media try to picture Russia as a bad guy and your country and your allies as a good guys. RT is doing the same.
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00:52 26.04.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Not really, I never claimed our democracy is at the same level as yours. It's not even close. You can browse my posts, you won't find any of that kind.
quoted1

You are not saying it directly, you are implying it all the time by comparing — our press to RT, the way things work here to yours and invariably you come up with the conclusion that it is kind of the same and everyone is equally to blame, not just Russia. You are not coming up with direct statements, but are delivering the message in a way which we call here «passive aggressive». Don't take me for a fool, I know what you are doing.

I will answer the rest later. Got to go now. Don't get offended please, I am just speaking my mind. I am allowed to do it, I live in a free country.
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00:55 26.04.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Actually, I think this is part of the problem with your society at the moment and with your notion of patriotism. Patriotism is not praising everything you have in place regardless, it is striving for something better. And it is impossible to strive for something better or achieve a higher level of development if problems are not being brought up, and as a result those in power are never taken to account. It is also unhealthy to talk down those places, where democratic development is objectively on a higher level. It is like — if you hate the rich, you will never become rich yourself. Jealousy is a sin and is bad first of all for those who experience it and not the other way around.
quoted1
There is such a problem.
But there is another problem when some people read only media like Radio Svoboda. As a result, they ashamed to be Russians, they hate Russia, the despise Russian people, they are ready to blame Russia for everything. I don't think it is healthy for any citizen to think in that way about his homeland. I think they are brainwashed to the core.

As for me there should be a healthy compromise between hurray-patriotic and that ultra unpatriotic points of view.

P.S. I can assure you that after the latest elections the level of hurray-patriotism in Putin's Russia has decreased to it's historacal minimum. Putin's approval ratings also sunk because he broke his promises not to raise taxes and not to raise retirement age.
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