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22:51 23.03.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Forgot to mention — very happy for Russian figure skaters and champions. Well done to them.
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Thanks!

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22:58 23.03.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Thanks!
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Well, it is nothing to do with me, they did it all by themselves. I am actually totally neutral to all this stuff, all the «dramas» of their fans or haters you are describing are baffling to me. One has to be totally deprived of any life to dedicate themselves so much to hating/supporting/making huge fights/or rejoice so much over other people's successes. I mean — don't get me wrong, it is nice to watch, but, well — one watched it, it is beautiful, that is it. I don't understand how people can discuss something like this for ages and ages. No offence.
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23:03 23.03.2019
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> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> Thanks!
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> Well, it is nothing to do with me, they did it all by themselves. I am actually totally neutral to all this stuff, all the «dramas» of their fans or haters you are describing are baffling to me. One has to be totally deprived of any life to dedicate themselves so much to hating/supporting/making huge fights/or rejoice so much over other people's successes. I mean — don't get me wrong, it is nice to watch, but, well — one watched it, it is beautiful, that is it. I don't understand how people can discuss something like this for ages and ages. No offence.
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Oh, it's the same as talking about politics. I see it like a game too (team/group A tries to prove team B is wrong/retards etc). I like talking about figure skating more than talking about politics because politics is shit and we all know it)
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23:06 23.03.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>>> Thanks!
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>> Well, it is nothing to do with me, they did it all by themselves. I am actually totally neutral to all this stuff, all the «dramas» of their fans or haters you are describing are baffling to me. One has to be totally deprived of any life to dedicate themselves so much to hating/supporting/making huge fights/or rejoice so much over other people's successes. I mean — don't get me wrong, it is nice to watch, but, well — one watched it, it is beautiful, that is it. I don't understand how people can discuss something like this for ages and ages. No offence.
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>Oh, it's the same as talking about politics. I see it like a game too (team/group A tries to prove team B is wrong/retards etc). I like talking about figure skating more than talking about politics because politics is shit and we all know it)
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I wasn't trying to have a go at you. You are very cool and can discuss anything in a cool way, I like you.
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23:10 23.03.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>>> Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
>>>> Thanks!
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>>> Well, it is nothing to do with me, they did it all by themselves. I am actually totally neutral to all this stuff, all the «dramas» of their fans or haters you are describing are baffling to me. One has to be totally deprived of any life to dedicate themselves so much to hating/supporting/making huge fights/or rejoice so much over other people's successes. I mean — don't get me wrong, it is nice to watch, but, well — one watched it, it is beautiful, that is it. I don't understand how people can discuss something like this for ages and ages. No offence.
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>>Oh, it's the same as talking about politics. I see it like a game too (team/group A tries to prove team B is wrong/retards etc). I like talking about figure skating more than talking about politics because politics is shit and we all know it)
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> I wasn't trying to have a go at you. You are very cool and can discuss anything in a cool way, I like you.
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I get it you just expressed your opinion. But you are free to troll me if you like)

P. S. As an example I had a good laugh yesterday talking to a Japaneese ladies fans. Just two days before the competitions they were bitching about how weak and irrelevant are Medvedeva and Zagitova now, how judges will try to help them win, how Japanese ladies will sweep the podium this time etc.
In realitly judges were harsh on both Medvedeva and Zagitova, but it didn't help their rivals at all.
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23:12 23.03.2019
Got to go now, have a nice evening)
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23:14 23.03.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I get it you just expressed your opinion. But you are free to troll me if you like)
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I am not great at trolling, I just say whatever I think and sometimes I am so tired, I just blurt out the first thing that comes to my head.
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Don't see how you can find so much fun in that. Everyone wants their favourite to win and to talk down the others, it is natural. Imagine if Medvedeva and Zagitova did not win and you would be sad and someone was to have fun at your expense. It is like kindergarten, honestly. How old are you?
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23:19 23.03.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I am not great at trolling
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It's never too late

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Don't see how you can find so much fun in that. Everyone wants their favourite to win and to talk down the others, it is natural. Imagine if Medvedeva and Zagitova did not win and you would be sad and someone was to have fun at your expense. It is like kindergarten, honestly. How old are you?
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Well, technically Medvedeva didn't win. More than that she was beaten by a noname skater. But she was happy becase she had a great skate, she won over herself. That's the main point.

I didn't mocked other fans becasue thier faves lost, I mocked them becase they made a serious mistake when they thought they can write off 2-times world champion and olimpic champion.

Really got to go now, cheers
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23:28 23.03.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> It's never too late
quoted1
I know, but I am just stupid I guess, I don't know how to do it.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Well, technically Medvedeva didn't win. More than that she was beaten by a noname skater. But she was happy becase she had a great skate, she won over herself. That's the main point.
quoted1

She is fantastic to watch, never mind what place on the podium (first, third or none). She is a very talented skater.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> I didn't mocked other fans becasue thier faves lost, I mocked them becase they made a serious mistake when they thought they can write off 2-times world champion and olimpic champion.
quoted1
And you like mocking people over their mistakes, don't you? I wonder why that is. You must be some sort of «Mister I told you so», «Mister Smart Ass «or «Mister I am always right». Those types can be even more annoying than those who make mistakes.
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Really got to go now, cheers
quoted1

Off you run, cheerio

P. S. This was my attempt at trolling, don't take offence.
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11:08 24.03.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> P. S. This was my attempt at trolling, don't take offence.
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No no no, never tell anyone that you are trolling him)

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I know, but I am just stupid I guess, I don't know how to do it.
quoted1
Oh, you aren't stupid, quite the opposite. And you are Brit. Since playing with words and a «theatere» in your dialogs are part of your culture, trolling should be easy peasy for you. The less obvious your trolling is the better and vica versa — obvious troll is the least respected member of troll society)

The main goal is to manipulate. It's good if your prey looks like a brainless sheeple in the end. Even better if he won't realise it.

As an example
https://www.infowars.com/pissforequality-feminis...
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11:19 24.03.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> And you like mocking people over their mistakes, don't you? I wonder why that is. You must be some sort of «Mister I told you so», «Mister Smart Ass «or «Mister I am always right». Those types can be even more annoying than those who make mistakes.
quoted1

Yep, but I was a bit less obvious

You know, figure skating community is toxic, but everybody tries to take the high horse.
For example when haters campain agains Eteri they write smth like —
oh, she should be stripped from coaching licence, she pushes little girls too hard, she makes them leard ultra difficult and risky elements, she ruins their health… bla bla
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11:43 24.03.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> https://www.infowars.com/pissforequality-feminis...
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Well, after reading this post of yours I am not so sure that mastering the art of trolling is something I want to get involved with. It is a bit disgusting, not sure I will find it enjoyable. And I am not the cleverest button in the world, believe me — I am quite aware of my strengths and weaknesses. But thank you for the compliment. As regards being a Brit — well, strictly speaking — I am not really, not by blood. But yeah, I have been here for a very long time. But the truth is I do not like manipulating people. Sometimes there is that aspect to my job, but that is different. The Brits are great at winding people up, but they are quite kind with it — well, I mean — generally, not necessarily on social media. People here have been commenting on how gullible I am and naïve and open and wearing my heart on my sleeve and things like that. And I have never changed much, cause mostly — people here have liked me the way I am and never took advantage of that in a bad way, so — why not — you know, just be myself, etc.
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11:54 24.03.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> You know, figure skating community is toxic, but everybody tries to take the high horse.
> For example when haters campain agains Eteri they write smth like —
> oh, she should be stripped from coaching licence, she pushes little girls too hard, she makes them leard ultra difficult and risky elements, she ruins their health… bla bla
quoted1

Such opinions have the right to exist as well re Eteri. Such debate should always be ongoing. Those skaters are little kids — I mean juniors especially. And kids are vulnerable — because they don't make their own choices, not really, not fully. They are pushed by their parents into things, etc. And professional sport is a hell of a lot to take on in one's childhood, especially such an intense sport as figure skating. And yeah, it is not at all harmless for anyone, it can be quite harmful — not only physically, but emotionally as well. Later in life professional athletes who were pushed a lot in their childhood and didn't really have a childhood because of that — they are vulnerable to mental illnesses, depression etc. And their physical well being is also compromised as their health is abused from a very early age, growing age. I am not trying to depress you, but these are well known facts. Here they talk about it a lot. The athletes themselves talk about their experiences, etc.

I am not siding with them and rubbishing the successful coach, but the debate about pushing little girls too hard, etc. — it should be there all the time. If anything — it is like a guard against this "pushing" thing - going out of proportion. It is part of the awareness and there is nothing wrong with that. It would be wrong to stop that debate in my view, that would be unhealthy.
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13:21 24.03.2019
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> Such opinions have the right to exist as well re Eteri. Such debate should always be ongoing. Those skaters are little kids — I mean juniors especially. And kids are vulnerable — because they don't make their own choices, not really, not fully. They are pushed by their parents into things, etc. And professional sport is a hell of a lot to take on in one's childhood, especially such an intense sport as figure skating. And yeah, it is not at all harmless for anyone, it can be quite harmful — not only physically, but emotionally as well. Later in life professional athletes who were pushed a lot in their childhood and didn't really have a childhood because of that — they are vulnerable to mental illnesses, depression etc. And their physical well being is also compromised as their health is abused from a very early age, growing age. I am not trying to depress you, but these are well known facts. Here they talk about it a lot. The athletes themselves talk about their experiences, etc.
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> I am not siding with them and rubbishing the successful coach, but the debate about pushing little girls too hard, etc. — it should be there all the time. If anything — it is like a guard against this «pushing» thing — going out of proportion. It is part of the awareness and there is nothing wrong with that. It would be wrong to stop that debate in my view, that would be unhealthy.
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I agree that professional sports is really harmful to athletes health. It's a well-known fact.
I can be okay with those fans who criticise Eteri for her training methods if they were sincere.
You know If you invent smth useful, it won't take long before other people apply it too. Evgenia was untouchable for 2 years in a row because Eteri methods were a surprize for everybody else.
Nowadays many other coaches apply the same methods. Especially Japanese ladies coaches. They teach their pupils to do difficult entry to the jump like Eteri girls do, their skaters use varied arms position in the middle of the jump (Evgenia's trademark), they use creative exit from their jumps, they add a lot of transitions to boost presenation and components score, some of them even copy Evgenia's miming ( ). And everybody is praising them for that. Their coaches are praised by the same people who critisized Eteri for her methods. It's so hypocritical…

Some haters also try to prove that raising the bar of turning senior up to 18 years also will be good for athletes health. I'm sure none of them believes in that bullshit, they are just trying to look concerned about an athlete's health. But the very moment an athlete gets injured like Alena recently these haters rejoice and act like - see, I told you Eteri should be stripped from her licence. Alena should leave her immediately.
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13:35 24.03.2019
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I agree with you it is nothing to do with Eteri, it is the nature of the sport. In sports like gymnastics, figure skating etc — people are especially vulnerable, precisely because they start very young. You see, the way we are designed as human beings is we are immature when we are kids — physically, emotionally, etc. And a lot of things that are not that traumatic for an adult, are very traumatic for a kid and it doesn't go away, it accumulates with time. I for example think that you do not have any kids of your own, so your judgement is also immature. For you the main thing is to protect and defend Eteri against the haters and you fail to see the bigger picture.
But it is not about Eteri or someone else — it is the nature of the sport.
You know — we have some legendary athletes like Gazza (Paul Gascogne, he was a very famous footballer) or Victoria Pendleton — she was a cycling Olympic champion — they are depressed as f uck now, Gazza became an alcoholic ages ago. Lots of those in boxing suffer with brain damage, kidney problems, etc. There is this other side to any professional sport, a very dark side. And it is not Eteri's or anyone else's fault. At least she gets results, so people are making these sacrifices for a reason, that makes it worth their while and well done to her for that. But me for instance — I personally couldn't do it, I couldn't push those little girls to work like that. I am too much of a softie. I am like that with my own kids as well. If they don't want to do anything — I just tell them to leave it. When my daughter showed interest in ballet, there was an option to let her attend the Russian ballet school, where the culture of teaching is a lot pushier and stricter, but they get quicker and better results. But I chose Vacani and Angelina Spurrier (www.vacani.com/our-team/
) — the British ballet school (well, Italian method), but the British Ballet school with British teachers, cause I just thought it would be better and more enjoyable for my daughter. And I do not regret it.


I got to go now, have a lovely day)
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