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  Grin
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13:10 21.02.2019
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Many Belorussians here say that their culture is stagnating and language was ultimately abandoned
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What I see from social media their officials use Belarusian language more often now.

And there are ethnic music bands as well
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  Grin
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13:24 21.02.2019
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Always when Ukraine moved from Russia, it used gas to make us infamous in eyes of Europe and freeze us. But now it is no longer relevant.
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But you are buying the same Russian gas with some additional trade margin

Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Rockets and bullets, I suppose, are eaten?
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You got it wrong. My point is Putin will give DNR and LNR enough money, food, weapons to survive. The amount of help Russia provides doesn't depend on Russia-Ukraine trade turnover. Since there are no checks and balances to Putin's power, he will find a way to supply DNR and LRN in any possible economic scenario.

Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Poroshenko always tells that on the East of that line live our compatriots
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ORLY?


Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> Putin doesn't need Ukraine at all
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He needs Ukraine to be at all-time low level, he wants you to hit the bottom and to be aggressive towards Russian culture, Russian people etc. That is why in my opinion Poroshenko suits Putin.

Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> But Putin doesn't care about that. He needs some puppet states to keep tension in Ukraine and make the world forget about Crimea.
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A frozen conflict on its territory prevents Ukraine from joining NATO.
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  Oleksa Єromіn
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13:35 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> It is not so much that I am not interested in Ukraine Russia relations — I am just sick to death of seeing Russians and Ukrainians at each others' throats here. Sick of it. You are as bad as each other. It is not their fault that they had Communism and spread it around. You can't just put the blame at their doorstep. You are making a national issue out of it. The truth of the matter is Communism was a tragedy both for them and for yourselves. They suffered just as much as you did.
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Yes, communism was bad to Russians too. Solzhenitsyn, Sakharov and Pasternak, Siberian 'kulaks' are also it's victims. Just like Ernst Thälman and about 20 thousands (or even more) victims of Nazi rule in Germany. Bolshevism is Russian invention and was spread by the Russian soldiers, revolutionaries, generals and sailors throughout the former USSR but it hadn't support among the most of nationals (before the famine, terror and WW2). The first Ukrainian to become a head of CPU appeared on the 30th year of Soviet rule. And all power what to do with our 'Republic' was concentrated in Moscow, not in Kiev, though some rights were delegated to our own Quislings and Pétains.

And if Solzhenitsyn was just kicked out of USSR, Stus was literally killed in Mordovia concentration camp.
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13:39 21.02.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> A frozen conflict on its territory prevents Ukraine from joining NATO.
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See — I don't get that point at all. Turkey and Greece have a frozen conflict in Cypress and Turkey is still a NATO member. And also — why is Putin so scared of Ukraine joining NATO? NATO and Russia used to be very friendly before, there was the NATO Russia Council or something like that. I mean — if the worst comes to worst — we will all die anyway, so I do not see the doomsday scenario of Russia fighting NATO materializing in reality. I think Putin was just scared of Maidan, cause he is scared of the same scenario happening in Russia. He is an authoritarian guy who doesn't want his power challenged in any way. So — to me — the reason he wants to keep Ukraine low is because he can't see the Maidan scenario in Ukraine succeeding. If Ukraine succeeds in this situation, people in Russia will start questioning their own authorities, demand reforms, modernisation, etc. And this is what he is scared of.
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13:41 21.02.2019
Oleksa Єromіn (WILDTRACER) wrote in reply to post:
> About Thomos I said earlier.
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I bet you aren't very religious person and you were never really interested in Ukrainian orthodox Church and Russian Church relations before Poroshenko tried to make a big deal out of it.
But we can talk about it later if you like.
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13:56 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> See — I don't get that point at all. Turkey and Greece have a frozen conflict in Cypress and Turkey is still a NATO member.
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The conflict happened when both Cyprus and Turkey already were NATO members. Btw, the fact that no one gave a duck about one NATO member invading another NATO member speaks volumes.
As far as I remember, NATO can't accept new members with frozen conflicts but that doesn’t mean they are obliged to expel acting members.

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> NATO and Russia used to be very friendly before, there was the NATO Russia Council or something like that. I mean — if the worst comes to worst — we will all die anyway, so I do not see the doomsday scenario of Russia fighting NATO materializing in reality.
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NATO was never a friend of Russia. In my opinion since the collapse of the USSR NATO lost the reason for its existence. But a lot of money are involved and many influential people don't want to lose them. There is no practical reason for EU and NATO to expand in Eastern Europe, but they are working on it.
My point is the US are rising tensions just to say — see, we need NATO to defend our allies.
Now to possible full scale NATO-Russia conflict. No one wants it because every side will suffer unacceptable losses. There is parity now (everybody will die), if you break it — one side will gain advantage. It doesn't mean they will attack immediately of course, but that mean they will try to use that advantage in the talks.
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14:04 21.02.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> The conflict happened when both Cyprus and Turkey already were NATO members. Btw, the fact that no one gave a duck about one NATO member invading another NATO member speaks volumes. As far as I remember, NATO can't accept new members with frozen conflicts but that doesn’t mean they are obliged to expel acting members.
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Oh, I see — thank you for the explanation, I didn't know that — I am quite stupid when it comes to politics to be honest.
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I think you are wrong about NATO never being friends with Russia.

NATO-Russian relations, relations between the NATO Military Alliance and the Russian Federation were established in 1991 within the framework of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council.[1][2] In 1994, Russia joined the Partnership for Peace program, and since that time, NATO and Russia have signed several important agreements on cooperation.[3] According to Vladimir Putin, he proposed the idea of Russia joining NATO to President Bill Clinton in 2000 during a visit to Moscow, to which Clinton responded that he «didn't mind».[4]
The Russia-NATO Council was established in 2002 for handling security issues and joint projects. Cooperation between Russia and NATO now develops in several main sectors, including: fighting terrorism, military cooperation, cooperation on Afghanistan (including transportation by Russia of non-military International Security Assistance Force freight (see NATO logistics in the Afghan War), and fighting the local drug production), industrial cooperation, and weapons non-proliferation.[5]
On 1 April 2014, NATO unanimously decided to suspend co-operation with the Russian Federation, in response to the Ukraine crisis.[6] On 18 February 2017, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov said he supports the resumption of military cooperation with the NATO alliance.[7] In late March 2017, the Council met in advance of a NATO Foreign Ministers conference in Brussels, Belgium.[8]
Read more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–NATO_relati...
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14:17 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I think Putin was just scared of Maidan, cause he is scared of the same scenario happening in Russia.
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Yes, he was scared of it. Putin's approval rating wasn't that high and many people (including your beloved freaky Russian opposition) were critical of him because he wasn't interfering. They were pushing «Путин все слил» narrative

But he was also scared because that agreement between Yanukovych and Ukrainian opposition (guaranteed by the EU) was broken in less than 24 hours. In Putin's eyes that meant both EU and US don't follow any written or unwritten rules anymore when it comes to Ukraine.
More than that the very first act of new Ukrainian parliament was repealing the «principles of the state language policy» which gave the status of regional language to Russian language. There was no practical sense in it, it wasn't urgent matter at all. In Kremlin they took it as some kind of declaration of war. Kremlin officials were sure that Russia is going to lose its naval base in Crimea in a few days.
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14:19 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> NATO-Russian relations, relations between the NATO Military Alliance and the Russian Federation were established in 1991 within the framework of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council.[1][2] In 1994, Russia joined the Partnership for Peace program, and since that time, NATO and Russia have signed several important agreements on cooperation.[3] According to Vladimir Putin, he proposed the idea of Russia joining NATO to President Bill Clinton in 2000 during a visit to Moscow, to which Clinton responded that he «didn't mind»
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It never really worked, later Putin declared he was hoping for a dialog but nobody wanted to listen. Now it's completely frozen.
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16:53 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat),
There are rumors (almost confirmed) Eteri and Daniil made a new «Twilight» exhibition program for Alena. She will portray a vampire. What do you think about it?)

P.S. Eteri called Alena an angel in the interview. Daniil called her "чертенок". I bet «Twilight» exhibition program is Daniil's idea.
There are no restrictions in exhibition programs so I hope Daniil made something really interesting. I also think It helps young skaters to develop their artistic skills when coaches give them different types of characters.
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17:14 21.02.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
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> More than that the very first act of new Ukrainian parliament was repealing the «principles of the state language policy» which gave the status of regional language to Russian language. There was no practical sense in it, it wasn't urgent matter at all. In Kremlin they took it as some kind of declaration of war. Kremlin officials were sure that Russia is going to lose its naval base in Crimea in a few days.
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I still think that if Putin didn't meddle in Ukraine, it would have all blown over — like last time — in 2004. They declared they wanted to join the EU, but it takes years and years from the declaration to get to the actual action of joining it — Poland declared their intentions to join the EU in the 1980s and they only joined in 2004. You had nothing much to worry about. All this talk about the US wanting your naval base in Crimea is also a joke, I don't think they are or were interested in Crimea. Putin jumped the gun and now what you can see is two closest nations hating each other, thousands of people died, etc. By the time Ukraine is ready to join the EU — I hope the EU won' t be there anymore. Or it will be significantly reformed. Although, a lot of people here say it is irreformable
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17:16 21.02.2019
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I think it is nice. Vampires are very popular here. Have you heard of London Dungeon? https://www.thedungeons.com/london/en/

Vampire Diaries are popular as well, lots of teens here are Goths and all that.
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17:20 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> I think it is nice. Vampires are very popular here. Have you heard of London Dungeon? https://www.thedungeons.com/london/en/
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> Vampire Diaries are popular as well, lots of teens here are Goths and all that.
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I bet Alena will be a really charming vampire, If audience likes it they can make it her next season competitive program.
I never heard of London Dungeon before. Looks interesting.
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17:24 21.02.2019
Grin (25771) wrote in reply to post:
> Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
>> I think it is nice. Vampires are very popular here. Have you heard of London Dungeon? https://www.thedungeons.com/london/en/
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>> Vampire Diaries are popular as well, lots of teens here are Goths and all that.
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>I bet Alena will be a really charming vampire, If audience likes it they can make it her next season competitive program.
> I never heard of London Dungeon before. Looks interesting.
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It is very popular, people come from all over the place to see London Dungeon — it is a mega tourist attraction. A bit scary — lots of witches, vampires, Jack the Ripper and all that.
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17:38 21.02.2019
Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> By the time Ukraine is ready to join the EU — I hope the EU won' be there anymore. Or it will be significantly reformed.
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Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> All this talk about the US wanting your naval base in Crimea is also a joke
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I don't think it is a joke because that base means a lot to Russia, US would eagerly used that opportunity to weaken Russia.
Btw, do you know that Britain and Russia were fighting for Crimea once?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War

Redhead (Expat) wrote in reply to post:
> Putin jumped the gun and now what you can see is two closest nations hating each other, thousands of people died, etc
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To be honest I don't approve his half-ass decision to make a frozen conflict in East Ukraine. You know why Ukraine is shelling Donetsk from time to time and doesn't shell Sevastopol? It's because Russian troops are really there in Sevastopol. So it's rather you don't interfere at all or at least you provide locals with a proper protection.
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